Democrats remain stalled on Iraq debate

The Politico ^ | 11-13-07 | By: Jim VandeHei and John F. Harris

[MNJohnnie]

Leftist website be monaning the fact the Democrat Congress has lost the Iraq debate for like the 40th time. Love the way the Leftist net nuts keep urging on the Democrats to political suicide rather then have the guts to admit, even to themselves, they have been all wrong about the war from the start.

[AU72]

Hillary Clinton calling General Petraeus a lier to his face will stay with me a long-long time.

[goldstategop]

The MSM is in denial. It seems to equate dislike for the war's costs with sentiment for America to lose the War. The latter does not exist in this country and the more Democrats push defeat, the more they alienate moderate and swing voters.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[IrishMike]

“The war of partisan persuasion has tilted towards the Republicans and away from the Democrats, at least in this particular aspect.”

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This despite the heroic efforts of the MSM to kill any type positive news from Iraq.

[Thrownatbirth]

That headline could have been from any day since about mid-2002.

[Turret Gunner A20]

Let the demonuts commit political suicide if they want to — I love it.

[madvlad]

Article appearing at RCP.com (linked from www.yahoo.com) indicated
that the army will drawdown forces currently deployed in Iraq
from approx 165K to 140-145K by mid-summer 2008. I think
the article said that the number of combat brigades would be drawn
down from current 20 to 19 (immediately) and then to 15 by mid-summer
2008

MV.

[AZLiberty]

Some of them have told us privately that their leaders botched a chance earlier this year — before the surge appeared to have some success — to work with Republicans on modest restrictions on the war.

They had a chance to nip the surge in the bud, and they blew it. Boo hoo. Now they become one of the major losers of the War in Iraq.

[JamesP81]

Let the demonuts commit political suicide if they want to — I love it.

It's inherently impossible for a leftist to committ political suicide. The only way he could is if he was caught on camera smoking crack and hiring hookers by the FBI. Oh, wait...

[Red_Devil 232]

The democrats are in a QUAGMIRE!

[SF Republican]

“John Podesta ... setting the stage for an easier withdrawal when the next president takes office.”

A step behind the Military establishment that announced draw-downs yesterday? Thats a real think tank you have there John.

[lilylangtree]

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Of even more interest was which were way down the list - and why..

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[p. henry]

By November the main issue will probably be the economy, not Iraq. A Dow headed south and below 13,000 may well be the beginning of a correction fortelling a recession in 2008. We have not had a true recession since the early 90's, and that one was comparatively mild. We should have experienced one in 2001 following the dotcom collapse, but the Fed was not willing to allow it and flooded the markets with liquidity, thereby contributing to the speculative frenzy in the housing market. With the Fed having abandoned monetarism, Congress and the President didn't help matters much by spending like drunken sailors. It was the 60's born again. Who would have thought W would adopt LBJ's guns and butter policy? The collapse of the dollar is the direct result of fiscal and monetary profligacy in Washington.

So now what do our esteemed leaders do? An asset class central to the perceived well-being of 70% of Americans and supporting large numbers of workers is grossly overvalued and just beginning to correct. To allow the correction to continue without interference, which is what should have happened in 2001, will surely lead to a significant recession and really unhappy voters. To create adequate liquidity to support the overvalued asset class would cause a currency that is trading below the Canadian dollar to collapse even further. Can you say parity with the peso?

My bet is that we will continue to see profiles in cowardice in Washington. The dollar will continue to fall, and any recession in 2008 will be mild. God help us in 2009, however. The day of reckoning cannot be postponed forever.

[Oatka]

Interesting. I got a 43, which agreed with McCain, Hunter, and Thompson. The left-wing loons were waaay down, with a score of 8.

As you said,I was surprised at the lineup.

[Condor51]

No surprise for me, a 57.
That puts me equal with Fred, Hunter .. and McInsane (him being there at 57 is a tad perplexing?)

And on the Dem side my top 'choice' is Rudy at 33, then Biden at 19. Last is Hillary at 7.

(Yes I consider Rudy a DEM -- because he IS. He's a 'Christian' Joe Lieberman)

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Meanwhile we have this:

U.S. pulling 3,000 troops from Iraq's Diyala province (the second large unit to leave Iraq)

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

See the story linked at post #16.

[John Semmens]

Democrats Becoming Desperate in Efforts to End Iraq War [semi-satire]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) announce that she is “giving the president one last chance to agree to a plan to withdraw US troops from Iraq. Her Iraq War funding bill would appropriate $50 billion for the troops, but only on condition that the President accede to Democrats’
demands that he start pulling them out immediately and complete the withdrawal by the end of 2008.

“This may be our last chance to decide the outcome of this war,” Pelosi said. “The situation in Iraq is very unstable and there are signs that the tide may have turned permanently against us. If we don’t get the troops out
soon there’s no telling what might happen.”

Pelosi said her Party’s push to end the war is aimed at “keeping our commitment to the American people. We promised voters that a Democratic Congress would end this war. Bush’s claim that we—the United States, I
suppose he means—could still ‘win’ this war is pure speculation. It isn’t part of our agenda. Winning cannot be guaranteed. Getting out can be guaranteed. Why take a chance when we can bet on a sure thing?”

Pelosi’s remarks were echoed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev). “As I’ve said before, the war is lost,” Reid said. “Let’s acknowledge this fact and get our troops out before we do too much damage.”

Both Pelosi and Reid rejected the option of simply de-funding the war. “We’re not going solo on this,” Reid said. “It would be too risky. If things got worse, the right wing media would try to blame us. No, this war is President Bush’s fault. His blame for that must not be obscured by partisan politics. He must join with the Democratic Party in a bi-partisan plan to end this
conflict. That’s the only acceptable way out of this mess.”

In related news, Representative David Obey (D-Wis.) gave his own unique take on the war, saying that reports alleging a favorable trend in Iraq are misleading. “The only reason why the violence in Iraq may have been
declining over the course of the year is because practically everyone in the country has already been killed,” Obey declared. “Between al-Qaeda, the militias, the Iranians and our own troops, I don’t see how anyone could survive in that kind of crossfire.”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm

[Post Toasties]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

- Benjamin Franklin

Peloser and Reid:

Nutburger and Nutburgerier

[Does so]

Like Clinton needed “Gun Control” hanging out there as an issue, the Dims need Iraq as an issue.