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Solar Activity, Earth's Magnetic Field and Galactic Cosmic Rays Affect Climate
CO2Science.org ^ | 20 June 2007 | Dergachev, V.A., Dmitriev, P.B., Raspopov, O.M. and Jungner, H.

Posted on 11/12/2007 10:07:52 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE

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To: Gondring
The CGM’s are only (poor) simulations of the earth’s real climates: and none work.

CO2 IS a vital part of the GHG total: water vapor accounts for 90% of the total GHG’s effect. Man-produced CO2, nitrogen oxides, and methane accounts for only 0.28% of the EFFECT of all GHG’s: that factor takes into account the relative values of water vapor, methane, and the other gasses.

The National Geo article explicitly says CO2 is the most important GHG - and it is NOT. Furthering their lie/exaggeration, they directly imply that man-induced CO2 is the direct cause of today’s 1/2 of one degree change. What’s the BS?

CGM’s are critical to the AGW’s extremists because they are the ONLY source of an extremist’s ability to alarm the public, build empires, and get trillions of dollars.

41 posted on 11/17/2007 4:07:51 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Gondring
And you realize that they absorb different wavelengths, right?

Actually they are well overlapped which when combined with the relative frequency of CO2 and H2O molecules is why CO2 is an even weaker GHG than at first glance.


42 posted on 11/17/2007 4:13:15 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
The National Geo article explicitly says CO2 is the most important GHG - and it is NOT.

I still don't see it...please paste the quote.

43 posted on 11/18/2007 10:30:57 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Face facts...you can’t stop this mass movement.

Read up on Eric Hoffer’s book...Mass Movements. Going back over twenty-five years...the environmentalists have banded themselves under a umbrella, and with the aide of dimwit politicians and the media...they are basically challenging any truth that we can toss at them. We could have absolute evidence in hand that solar activity is the one and only trigger to global climate changes...and it wouldn’t matter.

This is why the mess before us...preparing to consume vast amounts of our personal and national wealth...leaves us in a stage of suffering and woes. We have American citizens who have no problem in taxing us...and giving the wealth collected to some third world country...in the interest of carbon credits. The only possible method of halting this mess...is to actually have a bigger mess at our front door...such a major meteor strike wiping out 300,000 people and creating an actual real “winter” for the entire earth. To think in this type of logic as a way of stopping the environmentalists...is absolutely madness, but we have virtually no way of stopping them....not even the truth.


44 posted on 11/18/2007 10:44:44 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

So the stars (sun) do effect our destinies. Must start reading astrology section in the paper.


45 posted on 11/18/2007 10:45:04 AM PST by fella (The proper application of the truth far more important than the knowledge of it's existance."Ike")
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To: Gondring
A greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide traps solar heat in Earth’s atmosphere. The gas is known as the biggest contributor to global warming of the planet.

But man's actual TOTAL greenhouse gas impact (concentration times real effect) = 0.28% of all greenhouse gasses. Water is both the largest contributor by volume and by total impact: but the AGW alarmists don't want to mention that inconvenient fact.


46 posted on 11/19/2007 3:23:16 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Okay, so they didn't say what you claimed.

Please check out #38 again. I'm sure you understand the concept of a differential change versus absolute values.

47 posted on 11/19/2007 3:45:40 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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A greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide traps solar heat in Earth’s atmosphere. The gas is known as the biggest contributor to global warming of the planet.

That phrase says exactly what I claimed: They are claiming CO2 (specifically implying man-released CO2) is the biggest greenhouse gas. CO2 is NEITHER the biggest GHG, nor is man-released CO2 the biggest GHG.

48 posted on 11/19/2007 3:56:22 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
They are claiming CO2 (specifically implying man-released CO2) is the biggest greenhouse gas.

You're twisting their words and trying to claim that "Biggest Greenhouse Gas" = "Biggest Contributor to Global Warming," while I'm sure you realize they don't mean the same thing.

Obviously, "Global Temperature Increase" would be a better term than "Global Warming," so the differential is emphasized, but the definitions are accepted. Even though I disagree with the IPCC on whether or not indirect effects should be included in the term "Radiative Forcing," their definition is standard and it's silly to just argue the definition as if that means making a point about the real world. Define things as you want, but they didn't claim that CO2 has a greater greenhouse effect than water vapor.

49 posted on 11/19/2007 4:52:51 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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