The Church: Part of the Problem or Part of the Solution? (Islamic Appeasement)

Assyrian News Network ^ | 11/11/07 | Fjordman

[wideawake]

I think this is the third time this has been posted today.

[Bokababe]

[Bokababe]

If that is the case, please point it out because I ran a search before posting it.

[wideawake]

How about here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1924497/posts

And here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1924549/posts

[eleni121]

Thank you for the reminder from the great organization AINA and Bat Yeor’s warnings...BUMP for awareness.

[Psychic Dice]

>>Our Western “moral and ethical values” are profoundly influenced by Judeo-Christian thinking. Will our openness to outsiders, our democratic system and our Christian compassion, precisely the values that we cherish the most, render the West incapable of withstanding Jihad?

Is the Ayatollah Muslim? Does a camel take a dump in the desert?

[JamesP81]

Bat Ye'or claims that dhimmitude in the Middle East has often progressed because Christian leaders have sold out their own people, either for short-term personal gains or in the mistaken belief that they have a "shared religious heritage" with Muslims.

Gotta disagree here. It happens because church leaders improperly interpret the Bible's commands to be "obedient to civil authorities" and "turning the other cheek" to mean "take it laying down." Third world Christians aren't quite as bad about this, but many first world Christians, I'm afraid, would be exposed to be cowards under real persecution and a LOT of this would go around.

Unlike many Christians these days, I believe in opposing injustice and tyranny by force of arms. The source of the tyranny and injustice doesn't matter.

[JamesP81]

ping

[melsec]

Our Western “moral and ethical values” are profoundly influenced by Judeo-Christian thinking. Will our openness to outsiders, our democratic system and our Christian compassion, precisely the values that we cherish the most, render the West incapable of withstanding Jihad?

Funny but these things did not stop Churchill and allies from kicking the crap out of the Germans.

The Church leaders we see are our modern Neville Chamberlins they know the truth about those of whom they speak they just choose to ignore it.Shame on them. God's people should not be so easily deceived and their leaders should not be leading them into the pit with them. Mel

[JamesP81]

The Church leaders we see are our modern Neville Chamberlins

Couldn't have said it better. As I mentioned earlier, turning the other cheek doesn't mean you gotta take it laying down. The folks I go to church with seem depressingly amenable to that idea, though.

[Bokababe]

"How about here:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1924497/posts And here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1924549/posts"

All posted on different boards, generating different types of discussion -- under "religion" from a religious perspective; under "general chat" for some unknown reason; and now under "News/Activism" to see from a political point of view. This also explains why it didn't come up on a search because apparently the search works only for the specific board you are searching.

[weegee]

The same Archbishop has also said that British Christians should see Muslims as allies in the struggle against secularism.

They represent a "struggle" FOR theocratic rule. They are not allies.

[Bokababe]

"Unlike many Christians these days, I believe in opposing injustice and tyranny by force of arms. The source of the tyranny and injustice doesn't matter."

Somehow, to a large extent (especially in the West), the Christian message has all too often combined with secular rationalism and been watered down into some effeminate, whining Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?" type thinking that is so muddled, it is incomprehensible as Christianity.

[bmwcyle]

I always love when a Christian has this on their bumper. It makes me think of this:

Exodus 20

3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

[JamesP81]

Somehow, to a large extent (especially in the West), the Christian message has all too often combined with secular rationalism and been watered down into some effeminate, whining Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?" type thinking that is so muddled, it is incomprehensible as Christianity.

Too true. And, sadly, even the orthodox and evangelical leaders have proven susceptible this phenomenon; not just liberal mainline churches. Far too much emphasis is placed on not being scandalous to the world around us. Unfortunately for those that think that way, Jesus Christ was the single biggest scandal ever when He showed up, and continues to be to this day.

[Psychic Dice]

>Our Western “moral and ethical values” are profoundly influenced by Judeo-Christian thinking. Will our openness to outsiders, our democratic system and our Christian compassion, precisely the values that we cherish the most, render the West incapable of withstanding Jihad?

>Is the Ayatollah Muslim? Does a camel take a dump in the desert?

>>Funny but these things did not stop Churchill and allies from kicking the crap out of the Germans.

>>The Church leaders we see are our modern Neville Chamberlins they know the truth about those of whom they speak they just choose to ignore it.Shame on them. God’s people should not be so easily deceived and their leaders should not be leading them into the pit with them. Mel

It was mostly meant to be funny - a turn on old Jewish jokes.

But the longer the modern day Nevilles prolong the misrepresentations, the more the West will ultimately suffer. If the Left’s greed and cowardice prevail long enough, they could usher in a modern-day Dark Ages. It’s a long shot, but possible.

[Resolute Conservative]

I want a bumper sticker with a Crusades symbol on it that says, “I am a practicing Christian and I can practice in your country too.”

[melsec]

Sorry - not being Jewish and not knowing any Jews I did not get your turn of phrase. I have noticed, however, that there tends to be alot of truth in Jewish humour. This one seems to hit the nail on the head.

Blessings

Mel

[Bokababe]

"And, sadly, even the orthodox and evangelical leaders have proven susceptible this phenomenon; not just liberal mainline churches."

Yes, very true, especially those with political ambitions.