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Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous
NewsBull ^ | November 11, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 11/11/2007 12:39:35 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican

I hate wasting this much press time on Ron Paul. But the Paul campaign is becoming a real threat to the Republican primary process and if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal. This is bad for the party and the country.

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So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?

If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…

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To: jmc813

GMTA.


701 posted on 11/13/2007 11:03:25 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima
As a libertarian, I found little to disagree with,

Clarification: I found little in Glenn Beck's spot to disagree with. I thought that the Lew Rockwell article about the interview had some inaccuracies and was overly sensationalized, which is one reason why I have not been much of a Lew Rockwell fan.
702 posted on 11/13/2007 11:06:23 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Some Ron Paul detractors, like the one you are sparring with, are so bizarre, weak, and unattractive that it makes Paul look like a giant with a gnat flying around pestering him.


703 posted on 11/13/2007 11:10:49 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: lormand
So, tell me, why does it suck? Though it is subjective, surely you can back it up right?

Of course. A good song parody builds on its base song by using the base song's meter and melody to craft another song entirely. A bad song parody simply replaces existing words in the base song with new ones, Mad-Libs style---like you did.

Also, good parody songs are typically humorous. Yours isn't.

My criticism really stung you, didn't it? If you want to throw bombs with the big boys, you really should develop a thicker skin.

704 posted on 11/13/2007 11:22:29 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: listenhillary
Who will stand by him in the congress? Who will not vote to override a veto? Where will the votes of support come from? How many Republicans have endorsed his presidential run?

Judging by the information I'm getting on this thread, no one.

However, although most Republcians claim to support smaller government, they also tend to support government solutions as well, making no connection between the two.

So yes, it does add up. They ask what their government can do for them, without realizing that they are asking government to grow in order to answer that question.

But, yes, almost every Republican candidate sells smaller government from the campaign trail, most of them truly believing in it. At the same time however, they are also pandering for votes in competition with the left, which will later keep them from either keeping those campaign promises, or from shrinking government. They can’t do both, yet the promise to do both in order to get elected...

468 posted on 11/12/2007 7:45:46 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican

705 posted on 11/13/2007 11:23:19 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: listenhillary
[Fantasy. 5 percent support does not a Republican nominee make. ] Very true, but strange things happen in elections.

Lincoln came out of nowhere also.

We just saw a showdown with congress where they voted to over-ride a Bush veto for a pork laden spending bill. You seem to think even if by a miracle RP is elected, everything will go his way. Politicians of both parties will block most everything you say he will accomplish in his first term. Who will stand by him in the congress? Who will not vote to override a veto? Where will the votes of support come from? How many Republicans have endorsed his presidential run? I used to be a Libertarian when I was young,idealistic, foolish and stupid. Don’t get me wrong, I still support many Libertarian views, but the Libertarian party is toast when it has no room for people such as Neal Boortz. Ron Paul’s foundation of his whole presidential run is based on a lie when he is a Libertarian and running as a Republican.

Well, a Ron Paul Presidency would send a message to the GOP and to the Congress that the people are fed up with business as usual.

As for Ron Paul being a Libertarian and not a Republican, why can't he be both?

We need to have a Political Party that actually stands for limited government and that means going against the elites in both Parties.

706 posted on 11/13/2007 1:02:30 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: tacticalogic

I would be ecstatic to get a flat tax enacted. Not the fair tax, but a flat 15 to 20 percent tax that entirely replaces all federal taxes.

Baby steps. We didn’t turn into a socialist-lite nation overnight.

Getting a flat tax enacted will be next to impossible.


707 posted on 11/13/2007 1:05:08 PM PST by listenhillary (You get more of what you focus on)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"My criticism really stung you, didn't it? If you want to throw bombs with the big boys, you really should develop a thicker skin."

Your kidding right? I didn't see the smiley face next to your comment.

I have to conclude that you are joking here because

1) I don't take myself that seriously
2) You can't really think of yourself as that important

If I'm wrong about #2, then I'm embarrassed for you.

708 posted on 11/13/2007 1:11:23 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul 08' - Magnet for America's kookiest nutballs)
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To: listenhillary

If what I’m being told about the Republican Party and the Republican candidates is true, all we can expect to get from them is more taxes and more government programs.


709 posted on 11/13/2007 1:18:18 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

“Well, a Ron Paul Presidency would send a message to the GOP and to the Congress that the people are fed up with business as usual. “

Why don’t you send a message by voting out the frickin representatives that can’t say no to pork and big government? I’m not a Ron Paul hater as some have called me. We need gadflies in the House and Senate.

He is unelectable as president. The democrats have been able to pound the RINOS easily as evil and uncaring. Ron Paul is their wet dream! The perfect evil candidate that is going to take away everything you have and make you eat dog food and make you watch watch babies starve because government programs are going away.

It doesn’t matter if there is any truth to what they say, but there damned sure is enough ammunition for them to use until their gun barrels melt down.

I’ve heard that 60% of Americans get some sort of check from the government every year. (Psst. Ron Paul is going to take your check away.) How easy was that to get moderates to vote for the candidate that will keep that check coming?

It’s like making a heroin addict quit cold turkey. I detest socialism and socialists. Even taking one year would be too short of a time to wean Americans off of socialism. 75 years in the boiling pot.

That is the futility of voting for Ron Paul.


710 posted on 11/13/2007 1:20:25 PM PST by listenhillary (You get more of what you focus on)
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To: lormand
Your kidding right? I didn't see the smiley face next to your comment.

That's because I'm not a gay man or a teenage girl.

Obviously, my criticism stung you because you keep on whining about it, post after post, including posts you don't even address to me. If my criticism didn't bother you, or if it didn't matter to you, you would have shut your pie hole about it by now.

Now hurry up and craft another retarded, semi-literate post in response to this one.

711 posted on 11/13/2007 1:26:50 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: listenhillary
[“Well, a Ron Paul Presidency would send a message to the GOP and to the Congress that the people are fed up with business as usual. “ ]

Why don’t you send a message by voting out the frickin representatives that can’t say no to pork and big government? I’m not a Ron Paul hater as some have called me. We need gadflies in the House and Senate.

I thought we did that in 94!

It seems that as soon as they get power, they start to find ways to preserve old boy network.

He is unelectable as president. The democrats have been able to pound the RINOS easily as evil and uncaring. Ron Paul is their wet dream! The perfect evil candidate that is going to take away everything you have and make you eat dog food and make you watch watch babies starve because government programs are going away.

Actually Ron Paul is telling the people what they need to hear, that there is no 'free lunch' and the bill has arrived.

It doesn’t matter if there is any truth to what they say, but there damned sure is enough ammunition for them to use until their gun barrels melt down.

And I am sure that Reagan was considered too radical to get elected as well.

I’ve heard that 60% of Americans get some sort of check from the government every year. (Psst. Ron Paul is going to take your check away.) How easy was that to get moderates to vote for the candidate that will keep that check coming?

No one's check is going to be 'taken away', the transition will be paid for by pulling back from paying for other nations defenses and using that money.

Meanwhile, the young people will have the option of opting out of the social system and start using that money for constructive investments.

It’s like making a heroin addict quit cold turkey. I detest socialism and socialists. Even taking one year would be too short of a time to wean Americans off of socialism. 75 years in the boiling pot.

It will take along time, but it took a long time to get where we are,slowly.

We need to reverse the course and start the process of getting the United States back to a free market economy and shrinking the role of Government.

Leaders make the issues clear and we need someone to tell us the truth of what we must do to get this system corrected.

That is the futility of voting for Ron Paul.

Not in the primary, where you are making your choice in who you want to represent the GOP.

If he loses, at least you voted your conscience, for the man who best represented what you personally believe in.

That is all any voter can do.

712 posted on 11/13/2007 1:43:47 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
It seems that as soon as they get power, they start to find ways to preserve old boy network.

You shouldn't be having to explain that to them. See post 468, and note the source.

713 posted on 11/13/2007 2:00:10 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: listenhillary
Not the first time an attempt at sarcasm revealed the truth.

714 posted on 11/13/2007 2:07:05 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits.

Well, then, there's the problem that needs fixing....

715 posted on 11/13/2007 2:09:04 PM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"Obviously, my criticism stung you because you keep on whining about it, post after post, including posts you don't even address to me. If my criticism didn't bother you, or if it didn't matter to you, you would have shut your pie hole about it by now."

You obviously believe you are that important. I mean, "hemingway's ghost"? Come on! I smell pretentious @hole all over your account.

I changed 5 or 6 words to come up with that parody. Why would I get upset by anyone, even you not liking it?

"Now hurry up and craft another retarded, semi-literate post in response to this one."

Yes, Hemingway would be proud of you.

< /heavy sarcasm >

Did you come to this thread for political reasons, or just to waste your time with parody criticism? Is scrutiny of literacy the only reason you exist?

Come on, have the guts to chime in on this thread with some substance instead of hiding behind your literary pompousness.

716 posted on 11/13/2007 2:25:56 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul 08' - Magnet for America's kookiest nutballs)
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To: tacticalogic
Explain to me what's "conservative" about that.

LOL!

What did he say?

717 posted on 11/13/2007 2:59:23 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
But the Paul campaign is becoming a real threat to the Republican primary process and if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal.

Paul takes votes away from second tier or fringe candidates like Tancredo or Hunter or Brownback, rather than from the front-runners.

If Reagan were alive and in the race, Ron Paul wouldn't win over many of his supporters.

I'm not even sure that he hurts Thompson.

If he doesn't hurt Giuliani or McCain or Romney it's because they're in front, not because they're liberal.

718 posted on 11/13/2007 3:34:26 PM PST by x
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To: fortheDeclaration
What did he say?

He admits there's nothing "conservative" about it, but insists that this is what the vast majority of Republicans believe and want.

This at least provides a rational explanation of why Ron Paul should not be nominated to represent the Republican Party.

It also means that I and anyone else who wants smaller government and understands that means not getting more government programs are out of place in and out of step with the Republican Party. We can count on them to field candidates who will "talk the talk" on the campaign trail, but if we want someone who will "walk the walk" once elected we're going to have to look elsewhere, because they aren't having it.

719 posted on 11/13/2007 4:18:35 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Iwo Jima

“You agree, don’t you?”

No, I don’t agree that the federal government is the greater threat instead of Islamo-fascists. But isn’t it interesting that almost all Ron Paul supporters agree with you. I guess it is a defining characteristic.


720 posted on 11/13/2007 4:32:57 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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