Posted on 11/11/2007 12:39:35 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
I hate wasting this much press time on Ron Paul. But the Paul campaign is becoming a real threat to the Republican primary process and if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal. This is bad for the party and the country.
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So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?
If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…
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Retreat?
We have them hiding in caves!
The enemy cannot put any organized force against us and they must resort to IED's and sucide bombers to inflict losses on us.
The Iraqi's can handle these criminals and it seems that they are beginning to do so.
When the politicans finally allowed the military to get serious and go after these guys with some real force, they went down quick.
This 'surge' should have happened 4 years ago.
So, we are not talking about if we should leave Iraq, but when and when we do it will not be a retreat since we left no enemy on the field that can defeat us.
OMG, that does it for me. Think I'll vote for a pro-abortionist/pro-homosexual rights/pro-gun control lisping Mayor from New York.
If they could manage their own problems, we would have never been sent their in the first place. Today, their problem quickly become our problems, as the world grows smaller.
We were sent into Iraq because we did not finish what we started in 1992 when we first went to war with Sadaam.
Now, we cannot handle all these people's problems, we were able to deal with one, getting rid of a tyrant, but they are going to have to learn to govern themselves.
[ “No one can threaten the United States and with our Navy and Air Force we can protect our vital interests anywhere in the world.” ]
You can’t be serious??? 19 cave men turned four commercial airliners into a WMD and killed 3000 Americans in 20 minutes, without any bio, chem or nuke materials. Imagine their abilities with some added help from countries who have these materials. You can’t be serious in this thought pattern, can you?
And how did those guys turn four commerical airliners into weapons?
First, most of them were here on student visa's.
When those visa's expired, the INS never went after them.
So, 9/11 would never had happened had the government been doing its job.
Second, both the pilots and passengers were disarmed by the government and left helpless, expecting the government to protect them, it didn't.
Third, no one is gong to stop a nation from getting nukes, that is why we need a missile defense system.
I see our Government talking about building one for Europe,but nothing here-why not?
9/11 was a failure of U.S. Government policies, they didn't do what they were suppose to do, protect the U.S. people.
19 nobody’s damaged our government, the center of our financial district and the central command of our armed services in minutes, with NO high-tech equipment at all.
We still had the ability to react and if the attack had come from another nation, we would have retaliated against them.
Don't forget our subs, which have the ability to destroy any nation or nations by themselves.
Now we find RPG’s laying on our road sides... Unless you want IED’s on American streets, you had better think a bit clearer on why we want IED’s on Iraq’s streets.
I don't want any U.S. citizens, civilian or military being killed by IED's.
We don't need to have that happening here (which it hasn't) if we the government does what it is suppose to do, protect its own citizens.
Then you're worrying over nothing, because reasonable GOP voters will see that and will vote for one of the other Republicans in the primaries. If leftists are (supposedly) supporting Paul, then just grab the popcorn and watch him implode then. What's the big deal?
Paul can do to the GOP nomination what Perot did to the national election in 1992 and throw the nomination to Rooty.
If Paul is (supposedly) taking all these leftists votes, then that's fewer votes for Rudy-Fruity, right? The logic on this thread is absolutely convoluted here. You guys are mad that leftists are (again supposedly) supporting Paul, but not realizing it'll have ZERO impact on the other Republicans because no leftist is going to support the other candidates and not even liberals or independents are going to cross over into the GOP to vote for Rudy or McCain respectively, who they despise with a passion, or in McCain's case have outlived their usefullness. I mean, get real.
I view Paul as a complete non-issue in the general election, what scares me is what he can do to the Republican nomination.
Paul's running in the GOP nomination is a good thing. I know you're a moral person and I appreciate the pro-life threads and moral value threads you post. But you have to understand that the GOP *has* to start addressing fiscal conservatism and some libertarianism too. The GOP's base has shrunk to religious conservatives & those who support the war. There are a huge chunk of voters out there who feel alienated. Not all libertarians are pot-smoking, child-porn reading hippies. We need as much votes as we can to defeat Hillary, and Paul is the vehicle who is re-forging the old Reagan coalition to do it.
Thank you for the post, it was very accurate and well done.
There are no leftist organizations supporting Paul. He does *not* share their global warming BS or sending troops to impoverished nations. What you are witnessing is a handful of fringe, bored individuals who think they have a "cause" and are trying to hijack Paul's campaign. Once they get to know Paul's record, they're going to be sorely disappointed.
You must then assume that Ron Paul would have us not have intervened in any wars we have fought to keep people free.
Pretty sad and self centered foreign policy. We have the power and choose to let evil triumph. Let jihad reign says Sir Paul!
I will not help Hillary like those who don’t vote Republican in the main election will.
Doing nothing is a vote for Hillary.
Voting for Hillary is helping Hillary.
Throwing your vote down the third party Ross Perot black hole is also a vote for Hillary.
I will not enable Hillary.
You would fail in your knowledge of perception...
If you withdraw before the job is done, the day after Al Quida will be on CNN celebrating the retreat of the Americans...Facts be damn. To the jahais it will be a victory over the Great Satan.
Intercontential, Cruise, and sub launched missiles make isolationism, today, impossible. Such policy is naive at best. In the view of rest of the world it would make us cowardly.
As for hind sight...Isn't it wonderful being an armchair General?
The Founders were dealing with principles.
They knew history and saw the end of all great Empires was the same-destruction.
Now, we have outlasted the Soviet Union with its vast military might and we will defeat the forces of Islam as well, if we do not destroy ourselves first.
The US need not fear any single or group of nations.
We are vulnerable to acts of terrorism as is any nation, but the way to protect us from that is to get control our borders and immigration policy, which works against our defense needs.
If the United States falls, it will not be because a foreign enemy destroyed us, but because we destroyed ourselves with our own bad policies.
We are not greater or smarter then the great empires of the past that also destroyed themselves by trying to control more then they were able to.
ROFL. Dondero's stories have been refuted, millions of times already. He's just looking for his 15 minutes, that's all.
The column says RP can’t get above 5% support from Republicans. Again, a fact.
That's not a fact, that's propaganda. Paul's support is heavily from independents and young adults, in addition to frustrated conservatives. You need to realize that that "5%" is from a small pool of registered Republicans who voted for Bush in 2004. The media's polls are obsolete and discredited.
The column says Google is his top donor and that Google has a long history of supporting Democrats, also facts easy to confirm.
More balderdash. That doesn't mean anything, it just means they're supporting Paul from a free-market view because of his pro-Internet stance. Besides, a small percentage of individuals within the company donated or endorsed Paul, not the company itself. Nice try.
The column says that the computer tech community is at the core of the RP campaign, also easily proven to be fact.
OMG the horror! Don't worry, maybe Fred or Hunter will get the abacus or wristwatch calculator vote!
The column says that RP supporters have spammed and jammed online polls, a fact all Freepers know to be true.
Excuse me, but what the heck did you think FReepers used to do back in the days? It's called activism, not "spamming." Most online polls record the ISP and you can only vote once. Besides, online polls aren't "scientific" anyway, right?
The column says that the RP campaign is promoting party-jumping to get anti-war leftists to vote for him in the RNC primary, since very few Republicans will.
Waah! So leftists can't be attracted to someone's message and support Paul? And if they vote for Paul, then that means Paul's a leftist, right? BTW, they're not really leftists in the same vein you think they are, they're traditional liberals who are, yes anti-war but are concerned about our sovereignty and jobs. You know, the old Reagan Democrats. Remember them?
The myopic attitude of the Paulistinians that we can somehow encapsulate America is a bubble is truly frightening. When the rest of the world is overtaken by totalitarian Chicoms, Russians and Islamofascists, there won't be much of America left to protect.
Wow, I didn't know that freedom was under that much attack!
Well, we had better invade Asia, Central Europe and the rest of the Mid East quick!
I know the United States can handle it!
If those regions cannot deal with those issues we are not going to be able to.
The United States has limits, and that is what you interventionists can never seem to come to grips with.
http://www.libertariansforpaul.com/category/libertarians-for-ron-paul/
Are you claiming antiwar.com as Libertarian truth?
This site is managed by Gene Trosper http://www.noninterventionist.com/ and Eric Garris - http://www.antiwar.com
If you withdraw before the job is done, the day after Al Quida will be on CNN celebrating the retreat of the Americans...Facts be damn. To the jahais it will be a victory over the Great Satan.
They will?
And won't that not happen no matter when we pull out?
The difference is that those in the Iraq know why we pulled out, because we were done.
Intercontential, Cruise, and sub launched missiles make isolationism, today, impossible. Such policy is naive at best. In the view of rest of the world it would make us cowardly.
And the way to protect ourselves from being hit by these are....?
I haven't seen our Gov't pushing for a anti-missle defense system for a long time.
What protects us now from being hit with those weapons is our own ability to respond in kind.
So, in reality the goal of the U.S. government isn't really to protect U.S. citizens, but to run the world under the guise of protecting U.S.interests.
As for hind sight...Isn't it wonderful being an armchair General?
And it must be wonderful being able to see into the future with such clarity.
My bet is I already made that list... long time ago.
Yes, RedRumState is in the toilet. People get sick and tired of the echo-chamber and high-fiving each other over the latest lame Paul wisecrack.
Were we being “interventionists” when we went to war with Germany in 1941? How about when we invaded Afghanistan?
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