Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous

NewsBull ^ | November 11, 2007 | JB Williams

[PlainOleAmerican]

I hate wasting this much press time on Ron Paul. But the Paul campaign is becoming a real threat to the Republican primary process and if allowed to continue, he will take votes away from the most conservative Republican candidates in the party, not the most liberal. This is bad for the party and the country.

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So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?

If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…

[darkwing104]

When RP wins the Republican nomination, it will be like Mars Attacks! around here with all the heads exploding.

Aside from a cemetery I don't see the votes out there.

[B4Ranch]

>They don’t want him to win the election, just screw up the GOP<

The GOP is already screwed up or haven’t you noticed that?

[PlainOleAmerican]

Republicans foolishly following along out of anger towards Bush, need to realize that Bush isn’t running in ‘08.

They also need to realize that Paul and his supporters are NOT their friends and jump ship to a real Republican candidate. That’s how they can derail his campaign...

We should also close the nomination process to party members. Allowing people outside the party to have a say in the running of the party has gotten us where we are today.

[PlainOleAmerican]

And Bush is a “conservative?”

[PlainOleAmerican]

Now you are arguing that the same “conservatives” that supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 are supporting Paul, but that Bush is NOT conservative and Paul is???

You are talking yourself into a corner buddy....

[devere]

“those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits.”

That describes about 75% of the rank and file of the Republican Party. I guess we are “myopic”, because we don’t like big government, the falling dollar, and possible national bankruptcy.

This is one of the silliest articles I have read this year.

How do the author and his acolytes intend to “put an end” the Ron Paul campaign? Do they intend, Al-Gore-style, to repeatedly defame all of Paul’s supporters? So far it hasn’t worked very well. Hopefully the Paul campaign will end in the only reasonable way; by the voters listening carefully to all of the arguments, and then choosing the best alternative for the country. I am confident that the best alternative for the country will be the Republican nominee for President, whoever that turns out to be. It very likely won’t be Ron Paul, but if it is, he will have my support against the Clinton/Obama ticket.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

Seriously, what the crap? I'm not a Ron Paul supporter at all, but come on. Ron Paul Has Betrayed the GOP, by Eric Dondero.

Read posts 1, 18, 68, and my last post 101, along with others in the thread.

Eric Dondero, a self-proclaimed libertine, has endorsed Rudy Giuliani.

A libertarian supported Giulinai? Do you mind if I laugh out loud?

I've come to the conclusion that Dondero is an opportunist, among other things. Therefore, his word - and anything using it to suppport a conclusion - is suspect. Got a problem with that?

I'm a Hunter supporter, but is too much to ask that I not be accused of being a DUmmie for giving an opinion (that's not even remotely left-wing)?

[PlainOleAmerican]

We have more candidates than normal already, because many see the need to run against both leftists and Bush leaning social liberals.

At present, the Republican electorate is divided up and down a long list of candidates and a social liberal (Rudy) is leading with the largest minority of support within the party.

RP isn’t taking any votes from Rudy, McCain or Romney because their voters support limited social engineering.

So to the degree that Paul is able to take votes from any other Republican candidate, it will be the more conservative candidates, leaving Rudy atop the field.

[Revolting cat!]

Practice saying “President Paul”!

[darkwing104]

Thats the nasty thing about these threads people tend to get caught up in the crossfire. I had to check my posts by checking histories...I was going to call you a lot worse but I backed down.

[Revolting cat!]

"We want Paul! We want Paul!"

[darkwing104]

Smarta$$

[Joe Bfstplk]

>>And even if leftists do contribute to his campaign, it seems like they would be working against their interests, since Paul’s view of government is completely antithetical to liberal leftist ideology.
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Liberal dollars to Paul translates to fewer dollars to the dems. It isn’t all bad.

[PlainOleAmerican]

There ya go with them facts again... Don’t you know that RP supporters aren’t interested in facts? LOL

[Wallace T.]

The Dallas zip codes show interesting patterns. 75205 is the zip code for University Park and Highland Park, incorporated cities within the Dallas city limits and about three miles north of downtown, often called the Park Cities or the Bubble. This is where much of Dallas' "old money" lives. The area is very Republican and very much an Anglo Protestant country club area. On the other hand, 75206 is the area immediately east of the Park Cities and is known as the "M Streets" area. While there are some old line Dallas families here, the area tends to be liberal, with a lot of young people, married couples without children, and gays. The median age here is 29 years old. There is a substantial Hispanic population in the southern part of this zip code. 75230 is another affluent area of north central Dallas, an area considerably older than the M Streets, with a median age of 41. It is almost as overwhelmingly white as 75205, though somewhat less wealthy (per capita of $52K vs. $73K). There is a substantial Jewish population in this zip code, with four synagogues located here, vs. none in 75205.

General characteristics of an area do not speak to specifics of the actual donors. However, the Ron Paul contributors may well cut across sociological lines. He is drawing large crowds in places as diverse as Philadelphia and Columbia, SC. The crowds appear dominated by younger, well dressed white males, with none of the stereotypes of badly dressed nerds, octogenerian Birchers, Goth or stoner types, balding hippies, or bearded survivalists much in evidence. However, only the primaries will determine if there is any real sentiment in the general public. If Paul crashes in New Hampshire with under 10% of the vote, his campaign will be just another minor chapter in electoral politics.

[PlainOleAmerican]

Fighting for a candidate should not include party swapping or raising money from the enemy.

What would you say if Bin Laden send RP $5,000,000?

You’d say the enemy is funding RP. The same is true when leftists fund him. What if George Soros becomes his biggest donor? Would your logic change then?

[JerseyHighlander]

I am NOT talking about any individual donor. Neither was the author of this article.

We were discussing the geographic bigotry on display by this Williams author on this article. His very basis of the article requires one to assume that conservatism, big C and little c, and libertarianism, big L and little l, are nothing more than rear action guards to the last geogrpahic areas that cling to the belief in the Republic, big R.

I’m saying there are more people, in areas that have historically voted for liberal Democrats, that are in fact small l and small c conservatives, and trying to besmirch them because of their area code is myopic and utterly asinine. Especially since most of those Zip Codes are for areas with above median incomes and education levels etc.

I do not live in, nor have I ever lived in a solidly conservative area. The Republican party has been building a new base where I’ve lived my entire adult life. It’s more important to embrace these new donors and the philosophies they are attracted to, especially considering they were once the core of the Republican platform, and build something new.

In Quebec, the Bloc has collapsed. In Toronto the NDP is collapsing before our eyes. There is a huge opportunity to do similar in the US, but the Republican party has to expand it’s base to do so. The current platform of the Rep party is looking more and more like a rear guard. Paul is not the savior, he is just a glimpse at what can be, just as maybe Goldwater was to a previous generation?

[PlainOleAmerican]

Opps!

[michigander]

Damn those facts!

Yeah, they can be a bitch.

If you really think "If you’re not anti-war on terror, you’re not for Paul.", why don't you just point out that he voted for H. J. Res. 64 [107th]: Authorization for Use of Military Force instead of resorting to personal insults?

Your problem should be solved just that easily and you won't alienate folks (that don't fit in to your absurd generalization) to your point of view.

[no-s]

If I can get my cheese-eating surrender monkey move-on loving neighbors from the posh Democratic strongholds of the San Francisco Peninsula (btw with kerry/edwards and "bush lied[...]" bumper stickers on all 5 of their cars) to support a small-government, anti-interventionist, pro-life, tax-hating constitutionalist...Well, what's the world coming to?

All you guys with your off-target, out-of-context, mostly bogus anti-Paul bashing and smearing are making me irritated and likely to support RP, so your tactics are backfiring. I just signed up 3 more disenchanted leftist buddies to donate $25 to Ron Paul.