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Autopsy: N.Y. Woman Accidentally Strangled Herself in Bizarre Phoenix Airport Incident
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| November 09, 2007
Posted on 11/10/2007 11:08:39 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount
This poor woman should not have been travelling alone.
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posted on
11/10/2007 11:11:03 AM PST
by
ButThreeLeftsDo
(Carry Daily, Apply Sparingly.)
To: COUNTrecount
To: ButThreeLeftsDo
“This poor woman should not have been travelling alone.”
According to the reports I read earlier, a friend was supposed to meet her when she got off the plane, but didn’t show up. I haven’t read anything about this friend, but she should feel devastated over this.
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posted on
11/10/2007 11:15:08 AM PST
by
nuconvert
("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
To: ButThreeLeftsDo
She shouldn't have been left alone after being taken into custody either.
Interesting "proper procedure" they have there with a "holding room" where they toss folks still handcuffed.
It's either a "holding room" or the person is "handcuffed and detained by an officer".
Might be a good idea to avoid Phoenix airport if you're a diabetic or suffer phlebitis. Never know when you're going to be perceived as being "out of control".
Drunks and schizophrenics should also avoid the place.
Maybe the air industry could ask questions of passengers with tickets through Phoenix and reroute everybody with some condition that might attract police attention through a different airport.
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posted on
11/10/2007 11:16:01 AM PST
by
muawiyah
To: COUNTrecount
Authorities have said that Gotbaum, who was handcuffed and shackled to a bench in an airport holding room, may have accidentally strangled herself. Police have said they followed proper procedures when dealing with her. Is chaining someone unsupervised in a hold cell proper procedure. Isn't someone under arrest the responsibility of the arresting officer?
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posted on
11/10/2007 11:17:55 AM PST
by
darkwing104
(Let's get dangerous)
To: ButThreeLeftsDo
This poor woman should not have been travelling alone.There were probably some suitable facilities within driving distance, as well.
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posted on
11/10/2007 11:28:53 AM PST
by
PAR35
To: COUNTrecount
I too have been compelled to stangle myself while on some lay overs...especially those lasting more than two hours.
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posted on
11/10/2007 11:36:42 AM PST
by
NemoDog
(and Nero fiddled...)
To: darkwing104
I’m afraid that if there is a lawsuit, plaintiff’s research will find other cases where shackled prisoners died this way. A caller to a local radio station related a similar near death incident at the same facility.
This will not look good for the authorities.
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posted on
11/10/2007 11:38:37 AM PST
by
BigBobber
To: COUNTrecount
I am not sure the police were at fault here. By all accounts, she was one sick, out of control woman. While there may be a few instances of someone dying in this manner, they are likely very, very rare. In the end, you can’t protect someone from themselves.
Her family should have escorted here to the treatment facility. Also, why go to Phoenix—were there no detox facilities in NY?
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posted on
11/10/2007 11:54:43 AM PST
by
rbg81
(DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
To: COUNTrecount
Her age alone eliminates her from the “Darwin Award” competition
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posted on
11/10/2007 12:08:45 PM PST
by
Mikey_1962
(Liberals want equality of outcome not opportunity.)
To: COUNTrecount
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posted on
11/10/2007 12:39:12 PM PST
by
radar101
(Duncan Hunter-The only possibility)
To: COUNTrecount
From one of the links at the site:
"The body shows signs of a struggle," Manning said. "There are ligature marks, and some of those ligature marks match the chain that they used to chain her to the bench."I would think that her body WOULD be bruised if she was going through all kinds of contortions to try to get out of the handcuffs. Doesn't surprise me in the least, though this report makes it sound like the family is going to claim that the officers beat her to calm her down. If she were, in fact, drunk, and under the influence of drugs, some action that would hurt a person not in that condition, and cause them to stop, would not faze the drunk or drugged person.
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posted on
11/10/2007 12:59:00 PM PST
by
SuziQ
To: rbg81
I believe in personal responsiblity, but I do not think a sick, drunk, out of control woman should be handcuffed and locked in a room alone. It’s almost begging for a disaster.
I’ll bet it isn’t standard procedure in jails or holding cells, either.
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posted on
11/10/2007 1:00:21 PM PST
by
I still care
("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
To: muawiyah
She shouldn't have been left alone after being taken into custody either.Why not? Folks who are being held after being restrained by police are left alone in holding cells all the time. Sounds like they were letting her try to cool off a bit, after her outburst in the gate area.
This is such a sad story. The family bears a large part of the responsibility. They should never have let this woman travel alone. Since she was on her way to a facility for alcoholics, she was in a tenuous state to start.
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posted on
11/10/2007 1:02:18 PM PST
by
SuziQ
To: I still care
while you cannot keep eyes on every prisoner at all times, the cells are usually at least within ear shot.
this was, i believe, a room with a door that was closed. bad move. once in custody, a perp is the responsibility of the arresting officer.
To: darkwing104
Authorities have said that Gotbaum, who was handcuffed and shackled to a bench in an airport holding room, may have accidentally strangled herself. Police have said they followed proper procedures when dealing with her.
Is chaining someone unsupervised in a hold cell proper procedure. Isn't someone under arrest the responsibility of the arresting officer?
That's my question as well - is leaving someone (especially someone who appears to be distraught and unstable) handcuffed and shackled to a bench in a holding cell with no one keeping an eye on them considered proper procedure? If so, then the result indicates that the procedure needs to be changed.
To: COUNTrecount
We should wait for the autopsy conducted by pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht before we make any conclusions about the “official autopsy.” The big question is how Carol Gotbaum was able to get her hands around in front of her. The only answer I can see is she didn’t. It is my theory that the airport holding cell guards brought the handcuffs around to the front and re-handcuffed her, with a chain attached to the handcuffs and a bench. Then they wrapped the chain real tight around her neck. When they found that she died from such a tactic, they re-wrapped the chain in such a way to make it look like she did it herself.
Gotbaum family lawyer Michael Manning said. “There is a very tight relationship between law-enforcement and medical-examiner offices everywhere in the country, including Phoenix.”
To: darkwing104
Is chaining someone unsupervised in a hold cell proper procedure. Isn't someone under arrest the responsibility of the arresting officer? Do you mean the Halfa== officer, actually I think the circle J crowd had about six donut munchers, that is about to get his/there paints sued off?? Along with the airport and Phoenix??
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posted on
11/10/2007 1:45:47 PM PST
by
org.whodat
(What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
To: jonrick46
That’s a nice tinfoil hat!
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posted on
11/10/2007 2:55:26 PM PST
by
fightinJAG
("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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