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Paul: My policy benefits Israel
JTA ^ | 11/8/2007 | staff

Posted on 11/09/2007 5:37:10 AM PST by George W. Bush

Paul: My policy benefits Israel

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul says his foreign policy would benefit Israel.

Mainstream Jewish groups have shunned Paul, a U.S. congressman from Texas upsetting his party's presidential field. His lonely anti-war candidacy, once thought of as a long shot, is now competitive with front-runners in fund raising.

Paul has long opposed defense and other assistance to Israel, a policy consistent with his opposition to all foreign aid. He also has said the pro-Israel lobby is too influential in Washington, another statement that is consistent with his disdain for foreign policy lobbying.

In a statement released Wednesday to JTA, the Paul campaign cast those beliefs in a pro-Israel light. It reads, in part:

"I do believe that our current policies toward Israel are doing more harm than good to those we profess to support. Our foreign military aid to Israel is actually more like corporate welfare to the U.S. military industrial complex, as Israel is forced to purchase only U.S. products with the assistance."

Paul said, "We have adopted a foreign policy that has left Israel surrounded by militaristic nations while undermining Israel’s sovereignty by demanding that its foreign and defense policies be essentially pre-approved in Washington."

He adds later, "The United States should take care of its own sovereignty while at the same time respecting the sovereignty of nations like Israel. That is the best way to preserve security and prosperity for all."



TOPICS: Israel; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bravosierra; chutzpah; israel; ronpaul; ronpaultruthfile
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Freebies are one thing. We shouldn't be giving freebies to ANYONE for ANY reason. That is OUR tax money being pissed away.

As for SELLING folks like the Israelis out toyz? Oh hellz yeah! Let them handle the Islamic extremists for us...

41 posted on 11/09/2007 10:45:08 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: George W. Bush

I would have no problem with us telling the Palestinian “Authority” to take their begging bowl and head for Saudi Arabia. But considering that most of the rest of the Arab world thinks the Palis are no better than scum, I doubt they’ll get far. The racism that other Arabs feel toward the Palestinians is pretty extreme, from things that I have read. The Arabs will prop the Palis up as long as they’re useful cannon fodder against the Jews, and not one second longer. They don’t care if they live or die.

}:-)4


43 posted on 11/09/2007 11:04:17 AM PST by Moose4 (Ron Paul is like a beautiful plate of food ruined by a cow patty.)
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To: Moose4
But considering that most of the rest of the Arab world thinks the Palis are no better than scum, I doubt they’ll get far.

The Palis are in fact just a whipping boy for the other Arabs to use against the Jews. The actual welfare and well-being of Palestinians is a matter of complete indifference to the other Arabs unless it can be used in some way to foment violence or genocide against Israel.

I think the Arab countries actually oppose any improvements for the Palis in any way. They really hate the Jews that much.
44 posted on 11/09/2007 1:27:16 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Dead Corpse
I agree. Give the Israelis (and the Arabs) nothing, but sell weapons to the Israelis as long as they continue to be a good ally.

I would hope that this thread puts the lie once and for all to the false assertions that Ron Paul is an antisemite.
45 posted on 11/09/2007 1:54:10 PM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima
I would hope that this thread puts the lie once and for all to the false assertions that Ron Paul is an antisemite.

Hope is a wonderful thing to have. But don't hold your breath. Some of Paul's more Constitutional stances will upset a LOT of Nanny State apple carts. Therefore, he is an "enemy" even when he's right.

The political Left does the same thing, but for their pet socialist causes.

PS... I still don't like his WoT stance. It's enough of a deal breaker that I could not vote for him in a Primary.

46 posted on 11/09/2007 2:03:41 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: George W. Bush
Most of the Palestinian mandate is actually under Jordanian control. But, you don't hear about the PLO attacking them do you?

It has always been about the destruction of Israel. I say we arm up Israel and let them try and re-establish their pre-Christian claim to pretty much everything West of the pre-1994 Treaty line of the Jordan river.

47 posted on 11/09/2007 2:08:53 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Sloth
We have adopted a foreign policy that has left Israel surrounded by militaristic nations while undermining Israel’s sovereignty by demanding that its foreign and defense policies be essentially pre-approved in Washington

A simple but glaring truth

48 posted on 11/09/2007 3:39:07 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: mnehrling; holdonnow
So where is holdonnow anyway? I thought he'd show up and defend his cowardly use of the public airwaves to harass a public official and close down his legitimate congressional office phone lines with harassing calls? I especially like how he urges his listeners to wait and dial all at the same moment to overburden the House switchboard and block a congressman's lines so he can't receive call on that line for official business and legitimate communication from his constitutents. And how exactly is that anything but a deliberate attempt at harassment anyway?

Maybe you should flag him again. I'd like to hear his explanation for it.
50 posted on 11/10/2007 6:11:07 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush; holdonnow
Sounds like you are the one who needs some sort of attention. To paraphrase Mark, Get off the board you big...
Why should he respond to you anyway? It is courtesy to ping him but it doesn’t mean he has to extend to you 1/10 of his energy to somehow fulfill your desire for attention.
51 posted on 11/10/2007 9:36:10 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: rineaux
We have pledged some 468 plus million dollars to Abbas and his Fatah. For what? It’s insane.

Abbas is as much an enemy of Israel as Hamas leadership. Call me a skeptic but I've a feeling this 468 million will only be turned into guns and bombs...and the alleged Pali "refugees" will still live in their mud huts. Meanwhile no news from the Arab world as to when they'll recompense 865,000 Jewish refugees from Arab lands around the time of may 1948. Yes, it's insane, shallow, stupid and foolish.

52 posted on 11/10/2007 9:39:17 AM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: mnehrling

Gee, it sounds like we got up on the cranky side of the bed this morning.


53 posted on 11/10/2007 9:49:21 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Karliner

You’r no skeptic.

Lets add 20 Billion military equipment sale to Saudi Arabia. Another insane move. These weapons will one day be pointing directly at our american troops. Give it a few years.


54 posted on 11/10/2007 10:09:21 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; mnehrling; holdonnow; LSUfan
A press release to a Jewish news service recast as news.

I've been pretty clear on this, Pauls juvenile view of Islamic terror, sorry, US empire building, would lead to disasterous policies for the free world, Israel included, were he to gain office. Fortunately he's still within the margin of error of most polls.

Since this is somehow being presented as a pro-Israel I will note that one of my favorite pro-Israel radio personalities refers to him as the neonazi’s candidate. Due to his role as columnist for Willis Carto’s American Free Press and the Council of Conservative Citizens, and support from Stromfront, David Duke, et al. All of which he refuses to reject.

Since thanks to LSUfan we’re now able to read some of the good Congressman’s long “lost” newsletters, I’m going to post a comment I’ve added to a thread or two and links to his “positions” below.

I’m reminded of the damage done to America by the KKK in the late 19th and early 20th century America.

Were all Americans Kluckers, of course not. All southerners, of course not. The most generous estimates show support of maybe 10% to 15% at their peak.

How did they work their evil, with the cooperation of those willing to avert their eyes.

Public officials and just plain folk.

That’s Ron Paul and his supporters. Support from purveyors of hate, not my problem. I’m looking over here, thank you. And it’s really not my business. An embarrassment to the Republican Party.

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On top of the Willis Carto/American Free Press/Council of Conservative Citizens columns/Stormfront-David Duke support, this doesn’t surprise me at all, and personally I think an explanation of this and his 1992 “expose” of the fleet footed, politically foolish, largely criminal population of blacks living among us. Full newsletter article here

The criminals who terrorize our cities--in riots and on every non-riot day--are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to "fight the power," and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible.

Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.

Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action. I know many who fall into this group personally and they deserve credit--not as representatives of a racial group, but as decent people. They are, however, outnumbered. Of black males in Washington, D.C, between the ages of 18 and 35, 42% are charged with a crime or are serving a sentence, reports the National Center on Institutions and Alternatives. The Center also reports that 70% of all black men in Washington are arrested before they reach the age of 35, and 85% are arrested at some point in their lives. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced? We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.

Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics. The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth. The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That's what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn't ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer.

Blacks have "civil riqhts," preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black tv shows, black tv anchors, black scholorships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.

Two years ago, in a series of predictions for the 1990s, I said that race riots would erupt in our large cities. I'm now predicting this will be the major problem of the 1990s.

The good news, Paul (or someone) does correct predict the rise of a terror threat in the 1990s. Of course it’s the blacks and their ideology and culture, not the rational Islamists reacting to colonialization.

The Paul excuse is that though the article is signed by Ron Paul, and printed in the $50 per year Ron Paul Political Report, those aren’t his statistics and opinions, he didn’t actually write it, and apparently never read it.

The remedy, an apology, appropriate. A refusal to identify the individual Paul trusted with his name. IMO, unacceptable for a Presidential candidate. This individual was obviously close to Paul, given the years long gap between publication and discovery may reflect Paul’s views, and may well still be close to him. And a refusal to release other copies of the publication so the public can see just what Paul was advocating over those years. And yes, the link above, the only complete article from the newsletter was posted to usenet by a well known white supremacist.

These excerpts clearly address the issue of newsletter content. From a NYT magazine interview, The Antiwar, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Drug-Enforcement- Administration, Anti-Medicare Candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul , earlier this year,

Paul survived these revelations. He later explained that he had not written the passages himself — quite believably, since the style diverges widely from his own. But his response to the accusations was not transparent. When Morris called on him to release the rest of his newsletters, he would not. He remains touchy about it. “Even the fact that you’re asking this question infers, ‘Oh, you’re an anti-Semite,’ ” he told me in June. Actually, it doesn’t. Paul was in Congress when Israel bombed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 and — unlike the United Nations and the Reagan administration — defended its right to do so. He says Saudi Arabia has an influence on Washington equal to Israel’s. His votes against support for Israel follow quite naturally from his opposition to all foreign aid. There is no sign that they reflect any special animus against the Jewish state.

What is interesting is Paul’s idea that the identity of the person who did write those lines is “of no importance.” Paul never deals in disavowals or renunciations or distancings, as other politicians do. In his office one afternoon in June, I asked about his connections to the John Birch Society. “Oh, my goodness, the John Birch Society!” he said in mock horror. “Is that bad? I have a lot of friends in the John Birch Society. They’re generally well educated, and they understand the Constitution. I don’t know how many positions they would have that I don’t agree with. Because they’re real strict constitutionalists, they don’t like the war, they’re hard-money people. . . . ”

Paul’s ideological easygoingness is like a black hole that attracts the whole universe of individuals and groups who don’t recognize themselves in the politics they see on TV. To hang around with his impressively large crowd of supporters before and after the CNN debate in Manchester, N.H., in June, was to be showered with privately printed newsletters full of exclamation points and capital letters, scribbled-down U.R.L.’s for Web sites about the Free State Project, which aims to turn New Hampshire into a libertarian enclave, and copies of the cult DVD “America: Freedom to Fascism.”

It strikes me that a request to release the newsletters is perfectly reasonable, but in no way could be an attempt to paint him as an anti-Semite. Racist, I suppose you could make that charge, but why antisemite? Unless unbeknownst to the world they contained questionable antisemitic content.

All in all, an embarrassment for the Republican Party. Paul should make his newsletters public and name the author, else the charge that they were simply survivalist/white supremacist/militia garbage will stick. The GOP doesn’t need what Medved refers to as a candidate for neonazis in the race. Paul needs to clear these issues as best as he can.

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RON PAUL ACCUSED U.S. TROOPS OF WAR CRIMES IN DESERT STORM
Ron Paul: US "military is mowing civilians down in the streets"
Ron Paul supported the PLO terrorists
Ron Paul: Israel bought Jesse Helms
Ron Paul: Traitor had direct line to President Reagan
RON PAUL ON DEFENSE SPENDING
Ron Paul: Clinton didn't cut defense enough
 

55 posted on 11/10/2007 11:02:04 AM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: traviskicks
This is actually the best article I've seen on the subject: An Open Letter to the Jewish Community in Behalf of Ron Paul Walter Block

More Ron Paul Bull Sh*t

My unanswered questions from another thread.

Interesting letter.

What is Walter Block's relationship with the Paul campaign?

Does Paul endorse the letter?

Are Block and Paul contending that Tancredo and Hunter were barred from the RJC because of their anti-Israel positions?

If so, convince me.

If not, this is just another piece of Ron Paul world class whining.

I'll add a few more in case you care to answer.

Personally, do you condemn Paul's role as an advertised columnist for the American Free Press, published by Willis Carto, neonazi/Holocaust denier of a half century standing.

Personally, do you condemn Paul's refusal to reject support from David Duke, neonazi, Holocaust denier, former former Grand Wizard of the KKK.

Personally, do you condemn Paul's acceptance of support, including financial, from Don Black, Grand Wizard of the KKK and a felon, and his organizations, Stormfront

56 posted on 11/10/2007 11:11:55 AM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: SJackson

I don’t know that Block has any relationship with the Paul campaign, I’d guess not, since most Paul supporters are unaffiliated (proudly) with the offical campaign. The difference is the RJC has specifically said that is why he was excluded, Hunter and Trancredo are being excluded cuz they are deemed not ‘top tier’ I guess.

I am sure you could find KKK members who donated to many other candidates if one looks hard enough. I don’t know enough about the Willis Carto thing, but unless there is something I am unaware of, anyone can take anyone’s column and reprint it on their site. I do it all the time on my blog.

These smears were done on Buchannon and will happen on the eventual republican nominee whoever he is.


57 posted on 11/10/2007 1:01:29 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: SJackson

For example, check this out:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/rep-duncan-hunter-opposes-amnesties-396796.html

I have just seen a program on CNN hosted by Wolf Blitzer. He interviewed a Republican called Duncan Hunter.

Duncan Hunter said there should be a border, and that there should be no conditions for it, such as an amnesty.

He also said there should be no amnesties, as they would attract more immigrants, who would believe that they would be able to become US citizens in future amnesties, if there were one, now.

He seemed to be a very reasonable and personable man. I think you should vote for him to be your president!


OOOHhhhhh! Stormfront supports Duncan Hunter! What if this man donated to his campaign! Oh no! Duncan Hunter must be a racist and antisemite and what not.

Of course, I am being sarcastic. Obviously Duncan Hunter is none of these things, and neither is Paul. Let Stormfront and the wackos support whom they will and let us support whom we will and leave it at that.


58 posted on 11/10/2007 1:06:19 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: SJackson; traviskicks; Extremely Extreme Extremist
Personally, do you condemn Paul's role as an advertised columnist for the American Free Press, published by Willis Carto, neonazi/Holocaust denier of a half century standing.

Ron Paul's articles written when he has served in Congress are not copyrighted and can be reprinted freely by anyone without restriction. He places no restriction on their reprinting whatsoever because they are most often the same exact speeches he gives in one-minute speeches on the floor of the House.

Are you seriously suggesting that Ron Paul tell any publication that they cannot reprint the contents of his speech before the House and which are in the public record of the House? Tell me, are you that stupid or do you think other FReepers are that stupid?

Precisely how can a congressman tell anyone not to reprint remarks he has read into the Congressional record? Instead of just scrurrying away from your malicious and repeated libels on this subject, why don't you just answer that question?

Personally, do you condemn Paul's refusal to reject support from David Duke, neonazi, Holocaust denier, former former Grand Wizard of the KKK.

Personally, do you, SJackson, condemn George W. Bush's refusal to reject support and the endorsement of David Duke during the 2000 election year?

Personally, do you, SJackson, condemn George W. Bush's refusal to reject support and the endorsement of Matthew Hale of the World Church of the Creator during the 2000 election year? (Hale represents and leads what are by far the worst of the so-called "Christian" Nazis and white supremacists).

Personally, do you condemn Paul's acceptance of support, including financial, from Don Black, Grand Wizard of the KKK and a felon, and his organizations, Stormfront

Personally, do you, SJackson, condemn George W. Bush's refusal to reject the support of Don Black, his endorsement of Bush in 2000, and Black's appearances leading St*rmfr*nters in rallies to support Bush in the Battle For Floriduh in 2000, the most famous incident being when Black led an angry mob to drive Jesse Jackson off a stage at one of Jackson's pro-Gore West Palm Beach rallies on 11/15/2000?



Pardon me but your "outrage" seems mighty selective, Mr. Jackson. And mighty contrived.

This is just your way to play a victim card to attack another candidate so you can promote your own preferred candidate. You aren't actually in the least concerned about neo-Nazis, nor do you even give a fig just who that shrinking bunch of nobodies and racist scum actually supports. You just think it's a stick you can use to beat on a candidate you don't happen to like.

I think you already know that these same neo-Nazi scum supported Buchanan early on back in his independent 2000 race, certain they had found their Fuhrer. Then he chose Enolea Foster, a black woman, as his running mate. They were mighty disappointed at this evidence that Buchanan was neither a racist or an antisemite as they are. So they immediately fled to the George W. Bush camp and stayed with him through the Battle For Floriduh and even beyond. Although the racebaiters and antisemites and neo-Confederates did not like Kerry in 2004, Duke and the others generally endorsed voting for Kerry or any third-party candidate, emphasizing their followers should not vote for Bush again. Apparently, they'd been hoping he would nuke Israel and he disappointed them. I suspect you also know that Walter Williams, the black economist who subs for Rush, has endorsed Ron Paul. And that, many months back when no one thought Ron Paul's campaign would go anywhere at all, a reporter at WaPo asked offhand who he'd pick as a running mate and Ron Paul answered "Someone like Walter Williams". In fact, it would be Walter Williams (or, just possibly, Mark Sanford). I think you know that too. And if it was Walter Williams, the neo-Nazi scum would flee from Ron Paul the same way they fled from Buchanan over his choice of a black woman as running mate.

Your silly posts could only fool the most ignorant FReepers about these groups and who they have supported and why in recent decades. You offer a series of partial truths and slanted innuendo in the hopes of assassinating the character of a candidate you just don't happen to like.
59 posted on 11/10/2007 1:55:30 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: traviskicks
You guys catch this? RP has two pro wrestlers supporting him now.

Val Venis runs his own libertarian blog which is actually pretty good: THE FREETARIAN

YouTube video of Val Venis endorsing Ron Paul: YouTube - Ron Paul ***The revolution is famous***
60 posted on 11/10/2007 5:46:10 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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