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"If he says, personally, he's opposed to abortion, then why shouldn't he want the law to reflect protection for innocent human life?" Jacubczyk asked.

It's quite simple, EVERY pro-abortion politician CLAIMS to be "personally opposed" to abortion, it's a totally meaningless statement.

1 posted on 11/08/2007 3:54:31 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 11/08/2007 3:54:56 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 11/08/2007 3:55:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 11/08/2007 3:56:01 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Robertson’s support for Giuliani is a complete mystery to me. I can only guess that his health is an issue.


5 posted on 11/08/2007 3:56:43 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Giuliani is a liar. A liberal activist judge appointing abortionist liar. A wife-cheating, wife-dumping scumbag liar. A cross-dressing, gay agenda supporting liar. A gun grabbing, draft dodging cowardly liar.

Robertson really screwed the pooch this time. Hope he returns Giuliani’s check uncashed.


6 posted on 11/08/2007 4:02:15 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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this will hurt Pat far more than it will help Rudy.....

A compromise on Life is just not an option. It’s not negotiable.


7 posted on 11/08/2007 4:03:04 PM PST by eeevil conservative (When will the leftist elites finally award Bill Clinton with the Nobel "Piece" Prize?)
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9 posted on 11/08/2007 4:03:36 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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Rev. Pat has simply lost his marbles. That’s all I can deduce.


10 posted on 11/08/2007 4:04:19 PM PST by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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Pro-life advocates need to get out of the political sphere and promote adoption alternatives to abortion.


16 posted on 11/08/2007 4:07:57 PM PST by Rudder
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This is actually cool by me. I really want to know who’s legit and who has been corrupted in the pro-life/Christian ranks.

Just as we’ve learned painfully about who is corrupt in the GOP, we need to know who is corrupt in the various coalitions typically supporting the GOP. Then spit them out. NO ONE is above the issues we’re committed to.

I can see Christian “leaders” supporting Huckabee, even if he’s liberal on everything else, I can see Tancredo, Hunter and Thompson. heck, I could even almost stretch myself to see them endorsing McCain, except I can’t forget the Gang of Fourteen that easily. Romney or Rudy? If they endorse them I consider them frauds on the issue of judges, abortion and marriage or hopelessly naive/desperate. In Robertson’s case, I think he’s the former. A fraud.

I may not have perfect radar on politicians, but on social issues I’ve had pretty good judgement. Ref: Bush’s first and rare VETO on embryonic stem cell funding. Even if his pick of Miers was a disaster, he honestly thought she was going to vote against R v W and that was all that he thought we cared about. It’s the one area of his presidency I’ve never really doubted.

Romney and Rudy can not be trusted.


21 posted on 11/08/2007 4:17:02 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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I agree that Pat’s endorsement of Rudy is a big disappointment. I also agree that (at least to me) the principle of Pro-life is a non-negotiable.

However, I can respect the fact that Robertson — and other Christians — choose the “lesser of two evils” and take the idea that the good of one candidate outweighs the bad.

I simply do not agree with this principle, nor do I think Rudy’s “pros” outweigh his obvious cons. Gun control, pro-homosexual union, pro-abortion... Sorry, I’m not gonna bite.

If Robertson is right, great. But the Repubs have scraped the bottom of the well too many times with people who claim conservative credentials, but who do not truly possess them.

Sure, I can respect the Robertson’s who pursue this line of reasoning (it certianly does no good to curse them and call them names, as others have done here). But go along with them? Fail to point out the errors of their approach? Can’t do it. It’s call a “conscience.” We need more “consciences” in politics today.


22 posted on 11/08/2007 4:18:14 PM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction.)
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I called and left word on his voice mail of my disappointment in his decision to endorse Giuliani yesterday. He has lost a great deal of my respect, and I will not support 700 Club again.


29 posted on 11/08/2007 5:07:33 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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I can only imagine what Nellie said when she heard this.


31 posted on 11/08/2007 5:10:33 PM PST by jwalsh07
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The reaction from the pro-life community to Pat Robertson's endorsement of pro-abortion ex-New York mayor Rudy Giuliani for the GOP nomination for president has been strong.

They sure reacted strongly around here. Freepers were lining up (again) to make statements like "Well, I'm pro-life as they come, but I'm all for Rooty!" and so forth.

46 posted on 11/08/2007 5:34:20 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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I wonder if Pat is as concerned about God’s kingdom as his own.

I know this is troubling, wagglebee. This too shall pass.


59 posted on 11/08/2007 6:14:20 PM PST by labette
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65 posted on 11/08/2007 6:33:26 PM PST by JCEccles
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I agree with a lot of what has already been said here.

I was shocked when I heard... and extremely disappointed. I have always given Robertson the benefit of the doubt, and I don't want to think the worst, but this makes him look like just another phony, and hypocrite. Also - what he did was damaging to Christianity. I've been reading what non-Christians are saying, and in their minds, this confirms to them what they already thought, that Christian leaders and evangelists are phonies and hypocrites... which reflects badly on all Christians.

I'm beginning to wonder if the end is near.... and I'm only half joking on that!

71 posted on 11/08/2007 6:49:08 PM PST by incindiary (Wake up, people)
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I see a possibility that Robertson's idiotic endorsement of Giuliani will cement socon/evangelical/pro-life/pro-family endorsements behind his best conservative competition. Look for a string of such endorsements going to Romney.
82 posted on 11/08/2007 7:16:40 PM PST by Spiff (<------ Click here for updated polling results. Go Mitt! www.mittromney.com)
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When are Evangelicals going to stop allowing people like Pope Dobson and Friar Robertson to do their thinking for them.

I’m a born-again Christian and I could care less who Pat Robertson endorses or who James Dobson hates.


92 posted on 11/08/2007 9:40:45 PM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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if good conservatives are put on the supreme court by Rudy then isn’t the effect going to be the same as outlawing abortions at least in some states?...if, of course, the court overturns Roe vs. Wade. And is it true that Rudy helped increase adoption in New York? Maybe God wants to use his imperfect character to do much good? Alot of middle of the road democrats and women will no doubt vote fot him. I really haven’t decided who I am going for yet, but there’s much to like about Guiliani and he speaks a bit unlike the typical politician.


98 posted on 11/08/2007 11:31:50 PM PST by fabian
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