Posted on 11/07/2007 11:07:49 PM PST by jodiluvshoes
...The truth is - significant evangelical voices have spoken with great conviction about the qualifications of one of the leading top tier candidates of recent - and more voices continue to come forward almost weekly.
While Mayor Giuliani's faith would on the surface expect to share similar values with evangelical voters, apparently the Mayor himself does not.
But Mitt Romney - who has not been ruled out of support from prominent leaders like Dr. James Dobson and Dr. Tony Perkins. Is also enjoying expressed outspoken support from additional prominent conservative evangelical voices like Paul Weyrich, Dr. Wayne Grudem, and perhaps most surprisingly of all - Bob Jones III.
It might also be noted that Mitt's past has troubled some of us who only knew parts of the story on his former positions on abortion and the defense of marriage...
(Excerpt) Read more at kevinmccullough.townhall.com ...
I trust evangelicals to make up their own minds rather than wait on Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Bob Jones III, et al., to tell us how we have to vote.
Yes, the clear choice is the former governor of the sole state in the US that has thrown out what the word marriage means and allowed those of the same sex to profane it. Awe inspiring choice there.
1) Mr. Romney is a prominent member of a religious cult that believes that “the Bible is full of errors”, that the ludicrous Book of Mormon has supplanted the Bible and is “god’s” latest revelation to mankind, that their so-called leader/president speaks new/divine revelation from “god”, that Jesus Christ is Satan’s brother, that “god” was once a man and that men, by following the doctrines and dictates of Mormonism can become “gods” ruling over their own planets, propagating these new worlds with so-called "spirit children" thourough out eternity by having sex with the wives they have married here on earth. Holy underwear, that Jesus Christ came to America, that the Indians were Jews, that "god" has a physical body and the virgin birth was the direct result of “god” having sex with Mary. Anyone who believes this space-cadet theology shows a lack of discernment at the core of their being. I do not care how many Olympics this guy has “saved” and run well, or experience he has had as governor.
It is also vitally important to note that in order to obtain the high position Mr. Romney currently holds within the cult he has had to take an oath to the “church”; swearing his allegiance to Mormonism and it’s leadership and to doing everything within his power to establish the Mormon "kingdom of god" upon the earth. Mr. Romney also believes he is going to become the god of his own world! This fact alone disqualifies him from holding the office of President of the United States because his allegiance AND motives lies elsewhere.
Recently, Mormonism has sought legitimacy by claiming to be “Christian”, and following the Jesus of the Bible, but this is a very recent phenomena in it's history. Fortunately, it’s current president/leader has admitted that Mormons do not in point of fact follow the traditional Christ of the Bible, or of biblical Christianity:
The current president of the Mormon Church, Gordon B. Hinckley, made a very telling comment about Jesus Christ in a talk in Geneva, Switzerland, June 6, 1998. The Deseret News reported:
In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times.
He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Deseret News, Church News section, Salt Lake City, Utah, week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7)
President. Hinckley, the leader of Mormonism, was being totally honest and told the truth; Mormons do not worship the traditional Jesus Christ who is described in the Bible, the Holy Word of God. They worship a false christ as proclaimed and taught by Joseph Smith, who, according to Hinckley “knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages"... if you believe that, there is a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.
It should be noted that, from its inception Mormonism has been deemed a cult and NEVER been recognized as being a part of “Christianity or Christendom because it’s core doctrines are in total opposition to the Word of God, the doctrine of salvation, the Christ of the Bible, and the Christ of Christianity.
There are also valid political reasons for not voting for Mr. Romney.
2) Mr. Romney has flip flopped on abortion, homosexuality and a number of other issues while in his position of leadership as governor of MA. He had the opportunity to take a stand and he bent which ever way the political wind blew.
3) During the gas crunch/crises that took place while he was governor of MA. Mr. Romney had the opportunity to provide some relief for the struggling people of MA by rolling back or eliminating the exceptionally high MA gas tax during the period covering the gas crisis. People throughout the state were hurting. People in the state begged him to do this but he staunchly refused… so much for his commitment to “cutting taxes”.
Yes he is “handsome” and telegenic, and "moral" as men count morals but people here in NH know him, what he believes and how he governs and frankly, many of us do not want him to become the leader of the free world and can not/will not vote for him.
While we are not voting for Sunday School teacher, we are voting for the person who will lead the greatest country on the face of the earth and evangelicals should not be voting for someone who has sworn his allegiance to Mormonism and it’s leadership and to doing everything within his power to establish the Mormon "kingdom of god" upon the earth. Or someone who also believes he is going to become the god of his own world propagating it with "spirit children" by having sex with his wife who is going to turn them out like the queen from Aliens!
I, along with others who have mentioned these facts concerning Mormonism are telling the truth about the CULT in order to educate the public at large. Whether people wish to acknowledge it or not, the fact of the matter is this: what one believes and follows has a direct bearing and impact upon how they live their lives and how they view the world and their place in it and in the case of politicians, …how they govern (The "president" of Iran is a good example of the reality behind this principle). Therefore, stating what Mormonism teaches, believes and practices is not “Mormon bashing", it is presenting reality. The facts stated above about the cult which Mr. Romney is so actively involved in are readily available and easily verified by anyone and everyone who is willing to take the time to do some simple apologetics research with an open mind, taking Mormonism at face value, examining it's founders, leaders, doctrines, beliefs and practices in light of history, the Word of God and the founder (The Lord Jesus Christ), leaders, doctrine and beliefs of biblical Christianity and "the faith once and for all delivered to the saints."
Anyways, I am not sure if as Governor, Mitt had the power to roll back Mass state gas taxes. He could of pushed it, certainly Mass government, other wise known as Murder, Inc, gets enough taxes and spends it on its Mafia like work force. But that would of taken leadership and a fight. Mitt’s not that type of person. He’ a marginalist. A trimmer. Toe dipper.
Come an’ listen to a story ‘bout a man named Fred...
I support Romney because he is a successful business executive with a very decent moral family background. I think economy security and traditional family values are important to the future of the country and culture.
However, I don’t feel Romney is going to do anything amazing. I’m not expecting him to “save America” or “nuke the evil doers”. I would be satisfied if he is a little more effective than Bush.
I like Fred a lot. He preaches to the choir, just like Bush did in 2000. However, I am unsure about his private moral background. He is a little too close to Hollywood for me. I know, Reagan came from Hollywood, but Reagan left Hollywood long before he became a governor. I also don’t think Fred has the energy and passion to go the distance, get the GOP nomination, and then compete against Klinton. I’m sorry, but I don’t want to see Fred going up against Klinton. It reminds me too much of what happened to Dole. :(
Read an article about Mitt in “Shotgun Newsâ€, it appears as Governor he was very anti-gun and a fiscally was a tax and spender. Very hard for me to support anybody that does not recognize the second amendment. Fred and Duncan passes my litmus test of recognizing the second amendment.
If I was ideological, I would go with Hunter. But I guess I’m not that passionate anymore about anything. I have to balance between a candidate I like a lot (Fred), and one that I think can beat Clinton easily (Rudy). Who does that leave me? Romney.
The first part of that "quote" is correct, 'Mormons do not worship the "traditional" Jesus Christ' as in the Nicene Creed which was defined by Councils in Nicaea (A.D. 325), Constantinople (A.D. 381), Ephesus (A.D. 431), and Chalcedon (A.D. 451). The second part 'described in the Bible, the Holy Word of God' is the interpretation of the writer and not of the Mormon church.
For accurate information on LDS doctrine and why Mormons believe they are Christian, here are links to the teachings of two LDS Church leaders from the LDS General Conference on October 6-7, 2007:
The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent, by LDS Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland: HTML Text, MP3 Audio, or WMV Video.Other formats and languages and other LDS General Conference talks are available here.The Stone Cut Out of the Mountain, by LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley: HTML Text, MP3 Audio, or WMV Video.
There will be many who will share their opinions about LDS doctrine from a non-LDS (or anti-LDS) perspective. If you have questions after reviewing any of this, Mormon.org offers the ability to ask questions by email or anonymous online chat.
BTW, Romney is not at the top of my list, Hunter is. I'm still looking at Romney & Thompson. I have no interest in the rest.
There is now way I will ever vote for either of these progay, proabortion, anti gun liberals.
Sure. Keep ignoring Duncan Hunter. See where it gets you, Mr. McCullogh.
More phonies and RINOs, that’s what it will get you.
Hillary has just about won if we stay home. As horrible as voting for a pro-abortion candidate is, we have to consider the alternative--a candidate who gets a 5 out of 5 on the non-negotiable issues vs. a candidate who gets 1 out of 5.
Pray for our nation. Pray that God will do something to stop them, as only He can. This is a direct attack on the Lord and His people.
I have an interesting question. Who would make a better president: an atheist, a Buddhist, or a cultist? (I recognize this is a Least of all evils type question.)
What is the basis of your answer?>
Clearly, Fred is the clear choice. :-)
One of the best arguments for the Trinity is the old testament. First of all it says that God is "one", using the Hebrew word for one - echad.
"Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
This automatically eliminates the Mormon conception of completely separate gods.
The Deuteronomy verse is used by Jews who say the godhead violates the Jewish biblical God. In fact the word echad actually means a compound unity.
Trinity: Oneness in unity not in number: Yachid vs. Echad
Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one (echad) flesh. Gen 2.24; see also Mal 2.14-15
And the Lord said, "Indeed the people are one (echad) and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them." Gen 11.6
There is another word in Hebrew, yachid, which describes something which is a solitary oneness. This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians (Jewish Anti-Trinitarians, not Mormon - using any word for "one" is a problem for Mormons) since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God.
Amen!
Assuming the issues are:
1) pro-life
2) marriage amendment prohibiting gays to marry
3) power returned to the states -- federalism
4) strong foreign policy seeking democracy where needed
5) federal spending cuts
6) tax cuts
7a) facilitating foreign trade
7b) conversely, hampering foreign trade
8) push for public education reform (voucher plan, for example)
9) 2nd amendment issues
10a) immigration reform -- highly restrictive; build walls
10b) immigration reform -- making it easier for immigrants to become legal or work here with documentation/screening
11) gutting entitlements
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