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No justification for using Taser on grandma
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 11/05/2007 | MARY MITCHELL

Posted on 11/07/2007 12:41:38 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

Chicago cop's actions against mentally ill woman probed

Unless an 82-year-old grandmother is holding a loaded gun, there's no excuse for police officers to use a Taser.

None.

But that's what happened Oct. 29 when Chicago Police officers went to a West Side home to make a "well-being" check. The officers were responding to a request from the city's Department of Aging.

Apparently, the department had received an anonymous tip that Lillian Fletcher, who has a history of mental illness, was home alone and in need of assistance.

When Fletcher refused to open her door, police were called. Although Fletcher cracked the door, she still refused to let her visitors into the house.

But police officers wouldn't take no for an answer and pushed their way in. Fletcher ran and got the hammer she keeps beside her bed.

"My grandmother is easily confused," her granddaughter, Traci Taylor, said Monday. "She probably didn't know what was going on."

Taylor is one of her grandmother's caregivers. She said her grandmother has schizophrenia and dementia.

Normally Fletcher is looked after by a homemaker or by her own daughter and Taylor. Only recently did these women find themselves between homemakers.

"She can be belligerent," Taylor said. But she's 82 years old, 5 feet 1 inch and weighs no more than 160 pounds, she added.

"I just don't think they should be Tasing 82-year-old women. That's ridiculous."

Reportedly swinging a hammer

According to a police source, when officers arrived, Fletcher was "swinging a hammer" and becoming "increasingly violent."

When Fletcher failed to stop as ordered, an officer discharged a Taser. Also, it's worth noting that Fletcher hasn't been charged with violating any laws.

"The matter is being looked into by the Office of Professional Standards, and the Chicago Police Department will also be reviewing the matter to determine if procedures were followed," a police spokesman said.

After Tasing Fletcher, officers took her to Mt. Sinai Hospital, where she was treated. Her family is concerned Fletcher may have suffered a stroke. Citing privacy laws, a hospital spokesman declined comment.

But Taylor said a social worker at the hospital advised relatives of the circumstances surrounding Fletcher's hospitalization. Fletcher was released five days later, but she is still complaining about her hip and a burn on her abdomen. Doctors told Fletcher's family that she should be seen by a neurologist because she has fluid on her brain and may have to undergo surgery.

'There has to be another way'

Unfortunately, despite Fletcher's documented mental condition, police officers -- including a sergeant -- resorted to the same tactics they use when they are dealing with violent criminals.

For instance, last August, Chicago Police officers were accused of causing the death of a South Side man after they subdued him with a Taser. The officers were responding to a 911 call placed by the man's family. Allegedly, Gefery Johnson was combative and resisted arrest. Officers used a Taser and pepper spray on Johnson, and he later died.

Last week, the Cook County medical examiner's office ruled Johnson's death "accidental" and blamed cocaine intoxication rather than the Taser.

About 150 field training officers will soon be equipped with new Tasers. About 200 sergeants have had Tasers for about five years. Obviously, there are times when a Taser should be used to keep the peace. And disabling an out-of-control person is better than shooting that person and asking questions later.

But in Fletcher's case, police officers showed extremely poor judgment. Even if she didn't look elderly, there was no question she was mentally disturbed.

How do these police officers justify using such force on an elderly woman? Where was their compassion?

"I want people to know what happened," Taylor said. "I want them to try and do something as far as regulating Taser use. We're talking about an 82-year-old woman.

"There has to be another way to stop her -- use your stick and block the hammer," she said. "Knock it out of her hand. How hard is that?"


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To: Politicalmom

Doesn’t work that way. People get dragged out their homes for welfare checks all the time. When the police get called and check, if you don’t behave in a rational manner, guess what, you are taking a trip to the hospital. Police don’t need a warrant if they have reason to suspect a dangerous situation.


21 posted on 11/07/2007 12:58:58 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: CholeraJoe
EMT's don't carry tranquilizer guns.

Although a Haldol or Thorazine dart gun would be very handy for EMS and the ED....
23 posted on 11/07/2007 1:00:04 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Kozak

“Police don’t need a warrant if they have reason to suspect a dangerous situation.”

And here I thought we were a free people. Silly me.


24 posted on 11/07/2007 1:00:36 PM PST by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: VRing
Cops love this kind of thing. I’m sure that after their shift they met down at the local cop bar and laughed all night about the look on that old lady’s face while she took the ride.

Sure they did. We all know that cops are inhuman monsters.

I'll bet you've never stepped foot in a cop bar. Heck, I'll bet that you don't even know where one is.

25 posted on 11/07/2007 1:01:06 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Kozak
"Sorry, but a crazy old lady swinging a hammer can cause serious damage."

BS! The cops weren't sleeping! They broke into her house against her wishes.

26 posted on 11/07/2007 1:02:32 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So the cops go to check on the well-being of an 82-year-old woman, and shoot her with a taser?

Golly, ya can’t make this s@*#!! up.


27 posted on 11/07/2007 1:03:05 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Kozak

Screw the hammer. Someone barges into my home uninvited, I’ll start “swinging” lead their way.

“Well-being check”, my pa-tootie...


28 posted on 11/07/2007 1:03:29 PM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) I’m paranoid. The only question is, am I paranoid enough?)
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To: CholeraJoe

Nope,
all they had to do is call the nearest nursing home or psych hospital and get someone experience in dealing with demented folks who swing things at you (chairs, hard cover bibles, canes, walkers, lamps etc)

I’ve never seen any of them come to harm, I’ve never heard a caregiver raise their voice, tackle or even strike a patient. Most of the time, with some gentle talking and ‘entering into their reality’ these folks can be calmed down and stop flailin’. Seen it done at least a dozen times.

Granted, it takes someone who knows what they’re doin’.

There is NO excuse for what these guys did. None.

PS,
82 y/o bones and skin are pretty damn fragile, as well as the heart in some of these folks.


30 posted on 11/07/2007 1:05:45 PM PST by najida (Just call me a chicken rancher :))
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To: AD from SpringBay

The article states that the dept of aging asked the police to go check on this lady, that she might need assistance. She only cracks the door, which to a policeman might suggest that she is being told not to let them in by someone in the house. She the police have anticipated she would come out armed with a hammer, swinging it at them. I wonder if being hit by a hammer would hurt?


31 posted on 11/07/2007 1:08:27 PM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Kozak
"Sorry, but a crazy old lady swinging a hammer can cause serious damage."

Yep you gotta watch out for the "Hell's Grannies" as well.

YouTube Hell's Grannies Monty Python Skit

32 posted on 11/07/2007 1:08:55 PM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Police Out of Control!
http://gunnygcops.wetpaint.com/
http://gunnygcops.wetpaint.com/


33 posted on 11/07/2007 1:09:31 PM PST by gunnyg
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To: VRing
And here I thought we were a free people. Silly me.

So if your wife or daughter was being raped in your home you would want the police to find a judge and get a warrant?
34 posted on 11/07/2007 1:11:06 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Responsibility2nd

We’re from the govt and we’re here to help you.


35 posted on 11/07/2007 1:11:50 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Call me a pro-life zealot with a 1-track mind.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
If there are classes of people that cops shouldn't tase, the cops should be allowed to refuse to deal with those people.

Can't tase a woman "swinging a hammer"? Maybe they should be allowed to use the "shoot the happer out of her hand" trick. Would that be better?

36 posted on 11/07/2007 1:11:59 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: NCLaw441
"The article states that the dept of aging asked the police to go check on this lady,"

What? Since when does an annoymous tip amount to a call from the dept of aging?

"She only cracks the door, which to a policeman might suggest that she is being told not to let them in by someone in the house."

BS. They don't get to invent excuses to break in an enter against her will.

"She the police have anticipated she would come out armed with a hammer, swinging it at them.

? Probably means the old lady was being unreasonable for challenging the forced entry.

"I wonder if being hit by a hammer would hurt?"

Irrelevant. They're incompetent cowardly dolts.

37 posted on 11/07/2007 1:15:01 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Responsibility2nd
“We had to destroy the village to save it.”
38 posted on 11/07/2007 1:15:02 PM PST by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Kozak

Only if somebody breaks in her door and shocks the pee out of her...


39 posted on 11/07/2007 1:15:09 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: NCLaw441

And the police leave and do nothing with next headline:

“Old lady dies in apartment after police ignore pleas to check on her welfare”


40 posted on 11/07/2007 1:15:21 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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