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Not everybody is happy with fence stretched across frontier (Enviro WHINE!!!)
Sierra Vista Herald/Review ^ | Jonathon Shacat

Posted on 11/05/2007 3:52:47 PM PST by SandRat

(This is the second in a three-part series on the border fence.)

BISBEE — Bill Odle and his wife, Ellen Logue, moved to their home on Border Road near Palominas seven years ago. They liked the remoteness of the site, the abundance of wildlife, the quiet atmosphere and the beautiful terrain.

They decided to place a conservation easement on their 50 acres of land, which is located next to the San Pedro Riparian National Conservation Area.

Now they are concerned a federal fence being constructed nearby along the border with Mexico will disrupt the view and prevent wildlife from migrating north and south. They are also concerned the fence will not stop illegal border crossers.

“A major concern for me is this stops all wildlife from getting across,” Odle said, referring to the fence. “Wildlife, except for birds, can’t get across this.”

He has seen rabbits, roadrunners and a porcupine unsuccessfully attempting to get around the fence.

Odle noted the San Pedro is one of the last free-flowing rivers in the Southwestern United States.

“It’s a huge draw for wildlife,” he said.

Coyotes, deer, porcupine, rabbits and bobcats are common. Odle said there have even been sightings of jaguar and mountain lion.

“I’m not saying this is stopping all wildlife,” he said, “but it is sure stopping them from crossing the border.”

Defenders of Wildlife and the Sierra Club filed a lawsuit to block construction of a border fence and barrier through the San Pedro Riparian National Conservation Area until an appropriate assessment could be conducted regarding the impact on wildlife and protected federal public lands.

U.S. District Judge Ellen Huvelle halted the work on Oct. 10. But, on Oct. 22, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff used his power to waive a number of laws in order to resume the construction. On Thursday, the two conservation organizations filed a suit saying Congress violated the Constitution by giving Chertoff the authority to ignore the laws.

On Oct. 1, Chertoff said the construction of the fence would be beneficial for the environment because it would help prevent the effects of people who cross into the United States from Mexico.

“Illegal migrants really degrade the environment. I’ve seen pictures of human waste, garbage, discarded bottles and other human artifacts in pristine areas,” Chertoff told The Associated Press. “And believe me, that is the worst thing you can do to the environment.”

Carmen Mercer, vice president of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, feels it is unacceptable to put “creatures crawling through the desert ahead of the welfare of human beings.

“Fussing about endangered lizard habitat does not in fact trump the feds’ obligation to address the dire human cost to American men, women and children of our broken borders,” she said in an Oct. 19 news release. “Nor does it save one single truly endangered alien woman, girl or boy being illegally trafficked by the death-dealing cartels for sex, pornography or sweatshop servitude.”

But wildlife is not the only thing that will be impacted by the building of the fence.

Jennifer Allen, executive director of Border Action Network, said the wall will cause people to get more desperate in their attempts to enter the country. But, she added, it won’t decrease the number of people immigrating illegally.

“People will go to further extremes, further risking their lives. So, we would anticipate a higher number of deaths in the border region as a result of wall construction,” she said.

Drug smugglers will be forced to become more organized and armed as the border gets more difficult to cross, she added.

She said building the wall is costing taxpayers billions of dollars, but it is not solving the problem.

“This is such a D.C. or Midwest response to a failing immigration policy that does not take into account the reality of border communities,” she said.

Border communities are interdependent on one another, Allen said. Construction of the wall sends a “hostile message” to the communities and will affect their economies.

According to Mercer, the fact the fence would hurt business and reduce commerce in border towns means that fences do work.

Jose “Chovy” Lorenzo Villegas Vasquez, the mayor of Naco, Sonora, said he would like to see more unity between Mexico and the United States.

“For me, it is very sad they are raising this wall,” he said. “The wall creates a greater distance between the United States and Mexico.”

The Mexicans who have illegally entered the United States are not causing harm or worsening the country, he said. Rather, they came in search of the American dream and they have a strong desire to work.

He said a person working in an enterprise in Mexico earns about $60 per week. That same person working in the United States would earn that same amount of money in one day.

He acknowledged the importance of fighting against drug smuggling. But he noted the fence will not only stop narcotic traffic but also will prevent all Mexicans from passing.

The wall will have more of a negative impact on the United States than on Mexico, he said. If the Mexicans are unable to cross illegally, then it will affect the economy.

“Who will do the work that nobody wants to do in the United States?” he said.

Odle said he opposes illegal immigration, although he acknowledges that work done by illegal immigrants is “definitely” helping the U.S. economy.

“The only way to stop people from coming up here is drying up the well. By that I mean, stop hiring people that are not supposed to be here and stop giving them benefits,” he said.

The government has “turned a blind eye” on the immigration issue because big corporations want cheap labor, Odle said. Employers should be penalized for hiring undocumented workers.

“We do have the wherewithal to establish it so if folks want to come to work and we have a need for them, we should be able to control it and regulate it to make sure people are paid a fair wage and not treated badly,” he said.

Odle said the fence that is under construction near his property consists of steel mesh screens held up by posts that are concreted into the ground.

The concrete is intended to make it difficult to dig under the fence. The screens have narrow holes that are supposed to prevent people from climbing it. But, he said, it is possible to create handles by placing screwdrivers in the screen. Or, someone could simply bring a ladder and easily cross it.

“The fence has not stopped anybody from coming over. They climb it,” he said, adding he has not seen people climbing the fence, but he has seen evidence of people having crossed.

The fence gives a false sense of security, Odle added. It may look impressive but a motivated person could go over it.

“I always tell people you can tell this is a federal project. It cost way too much, it is ugly, and it doesn’t work,” he said.

Odle would rather see the government use a different method to fence the border. He said a simple barbed wire fence would stop livestock from crossing but still allow wildlife to migrate. And vehicle barriers installed along the border would stop vehicles that are crossing with illegal drugs or people.

He recognizes the need for national security. But the fence is not making the country any more secure. And, he said, it is also harmful to wildlife that can’t cross it.

“You are putting up a wall that is stopping these critters from freely going back and forth. Who knows what the final repercussions are?”

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Herald/Review reporter Jonathon Shacat is reporting on the discussion and some issues involved in building a border fence, as is being done in Cochise County.

• Sunday: Building a fence and the arguments for and against it.

• Today: Some of the possibly good and bad impacts from building a border fence.

• Tuesday: Is a fence along the border the right solution? Groups discuss that topic.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderfence; cranksveto; environuts; illegals; immigrantlist; security
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1 posted on 11/05/2007 3:52:50 PM PST by SandRat
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To: SandRat
Troups plus:

problem solved.

2 posted on 11/05/2007 3:57:09 PM PST by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: SandRat
I've seen Naco. It's a open Porta-john.
3 posted on 11/05/2007 3:59:09 PM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: SandRat

One of the ways narcotrafficantes are alleged to “export” their inventory is by using migratory animals. There is a large “wild horse” population in Arizona and neighboring Sonora (and some politicians in Mexico have large horse ranches and gold bathroom fixtures). Comprende Senor Odle?


4 posted on 11/05/2007 4:00:31 PM PST by bajabaja
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To: SandRat
Odle noted the San Pedro is one of the last free-flowing rivers in the Southwestern United States.

Nice try, Bill, but I gotta beautiful house less than two miles from where he is. The San Pedro goes underground about four miles north of him, and if it ever flows on the surface it is only during monsoon season or some other heavy rainfall.

Last time I was there (2 months ago) all the poor little wildlife he crys about were all over my property, as they ALWAYS ARE. I can't believe the SV paper printed this $hit.

5 posted on 11/05/2007 4:01:54 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: SandRat
“I’m not saying this is stopping all wildlife,” he said, “but it is sure stopping them from crossing the border.”

But, but, fences don't work.

6 posted on 11/05/2007 4:02:32 PM PST by Disambiguator (Political Correctness is criminal insanity writ large.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
In many way they are willing sycophants of the Center for Bio-Dummies oh excuse me the Center for Bio-Diversity.
7 posted on 11/05/2007 4:06:24 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Bill and Ellen would be complaining if the fence were built North of them too, but their words would be a bit different ~ something like “You can’t abandon us to the Mexicans, waaaaaaah!”


8 posted on 11/05/2007 4:06:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SandRat

that they are


9 posted on 11/05/2007 4:08:37 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: SandRat
“It’s a huge draw for wildlife... ”
10 posted on 11/05/2007 4:11:36 PM PST by traumer
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To: SandRat
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11 posted on 11/05/2007 4:14:22 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: SandRat
He has seen rabbits, roadrunners and a porcupine unsuccessfully attempting to get around the fence.

All those critters are found in abundance north of the border.

And, oh yeah...Roadrunners can fly.

12 posted on 11/05/2007 4:26:57 PM PST by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: SandRat
I guess that THIS is okay for the environment.


13 posted on 11/05/2007 5:16:10 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

To us no but the CBD (Kierin Suckling of TUCSON and Dr. Robin Silver of PHX) are silent


14 posted on 11/05/2007 5:18:37 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Tough luck. The government should take the land by eminent domain and build the fence. That is the absolute minimum they can do to keep people from sneaking across the border.


15 posted on 11/05/2007 5:29:26 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: SandRat
Build the fence on the US side of this doofus's land and let him deal with the compañeros...
16 posted on 11/05/2007 7:10:39 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: popdonnelly; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ..
The government should take the land by eminent domain and build the fence.

They don't need to. The federal government already owns the land on either side of the actual border where Mr. Odle is living. The fence is going up on Federal land.

It's like building next to an airport, then complaining to the city about the noise. Too flippin' bad, Senor.

17 posted on 11/05/2007 7:12:35 PM PST by HiJinx (Marine to Gen Pace: "Sir, thanks for your service. We’ll take it from here.")
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To: HiJinx

Oops...shoulda said either side of the markers for the border. There’s a buffer of US land on the Mexican side of the markers.


18 posted on 11/05/2007 7:13:35 PM PST by HiJinx (Marine to Gen Pace: "Sir, thanks for your service. We’ll take it from here.")
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To: Old Sarge; SandRat
He has seen rabbits, roadrunners and a porcupine unsuccessfully attempting to get around the fence.

Nana said she'd gladly buy 4 rabbits to place on Bill's land - he'd soon have more bunnies than he knows what to do with!

19 posted on 11/05/2007 7:14:46 PM PST by HiJinx (Marine to Gen Pace: "Sir, thanks for your service. We’ll take it from here.")
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


20 posted on 11/05/2007 11:44:54 PM PST by gubamyster
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