Posted on 11/05/2007 2:15:02 PM PST by blam
For your ping list.
Could it be that the earth has mechanisms that maintain a relative temperature equilibrium? Even when the Krakatoa volcano exploded in the 19th century the earth was not cast into a permanent nuclear winter, though global temperatures drops were significant, it all worked out in about a year.
PING - Climate Science rebutting the fearmongering.
Looks like this data is supportive of Lindzen’s “Iris” theory, that cloud feedback would not be positive, but somewhat negative.
“To give an idea of how strong this enhanced cooling mechanism is, if it was operating on global warming, it would reduce estimates of future warming by over 75 percent,” Spencer said. “The big question that no one can answer right now is whether this enhanced cooling mechanism applies to global warming.”
“The role of clouds in global warming is widely agreed to be pretty uncertain,” Spencer said. “Right now, all climate models predict that clouds will amplify warming. I’m betting that if the climate models’ ‘clouds’ were made to behave the way we see these clouds behave in nature, it would substantially reduce the amount of climate change the models predict for the coming decade.”
“Could it be that the earth has mechanisms that maintain a relative temperature equilibrium? “
Any impulse or forcing moves us to a new equilibrium.
The AGW hypers are saying that new equilibrium could be as much as 3-5C for a doubling of CO2.
This data suggests that change would be about 1/4 the size.
I thought they already disappeared!.........
"Predict" in this context means "assume." IOW, the modelers appear to have assumed incorrectly on this factor.
Important New Paper On Cloud-Precipitation Interactions by Roy Spencer and colleagues
and before Roger Pielke Sr closed his great blog (and discussion forum) Roy Spencer also wrote these two articles:
Positive Feedback: Have We Been Fooling Ourselves? by Roy Spencer
Part 2: Feedbacks, the Infrared Iris, and the Role of Precipitation Processes by Roy Spencer
You know what? I think the science is far from settled.....and furthermore the changes are pointing away from Al Gore and the climate alarmists.
Both Sides, Now
lyrics / Joni Mitchell
Rows and floes of angel hair
And ice cream castles in the air
And feather canyons ev’rywhere
I’ve looked at clouds that way
But now they only block the sun
They rain and snow on ev’ryone
So many things I would have done
But clouds got in my way
I’ve looked at clouds from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It’s cloud illusions I recall
I really don’t know clouds at all
Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels
The dizzy dancing way you feel
As ev’ry fairy tale comes real
I’ve looked at love that way
But now it’s just another show
You leave ‘em laughing when you go
And if you care, don’t let them know
Don’t give yourself away
I’ve looked at love from both sides now
From give and take, and still somehow
It’s love’s illusions I recall
I really don’t know love at all
Tears and fears and feeling proud
To say ‘I love you’ right out loud
Dreams and schemes and circus crowds
I’ve looked at life that way
But now old friends are acting strange
They shake their heads, they say I’ve changed
Well something’s lost, but something’s gained
In living ev’ry day
I’ve looked at life from both sides now
From win and lose and still somehow
It’s life’s illusions I recall
I really don’t know life at all
I’ve looked at life from both sides now
From up and down, and still somehow
It’s life’s illusions I recall
I really don’t know life at all
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew
And, while with silent, lifting mind I’ve trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
None too soon! Certainly the MOPAR factor has not been included in the Global Thermodynamic models. Perhaps, we have underestimated the Belvedere effect in the overall outlook on warming in northern Illinois. I believe it to be Cirrus and Hugh.
AGW ping
It was all those Dodge Dart slant sixes that did them in..............
MOre ‘outliers ‘ and ‘flat earthers’ who doubt Saint Al the Alknowing Goreacle. The debate is OVER!! When will these pesky scientists stop letting their ‘research’ get in the way of the global scientific consensus?
All leading climate models forecast that as the atmosphere warms there should be an increase in high altitude cirrus clouds, which would amplify any warming caused by manmade greenhouse gases," he said. "That amplification is a positive feedback. What we found in month-to-month fluctuations of the tropical climate system was a strongly negative feedback.
This just proves that man-made global warming is a fact.
Global warming is the greatest, most rock-solid theory in the history of science.
It doesnt matter what the results are, even if the result is the exact opposite of the prediction, the result proves the theory. Seriously, no other theory in the history of science has every been able to do that.
If you're skeptical about the science that goes into that, your skepticism only proves the theory and makes you a lunatic at the same time.
God knew what He was doing. He promised us an Earth that would support us until such time as He sets things right and He keeps His promises.
LOL!
Just a hunch, but I dont think Al Gore is going to like this article.
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