Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

What's The Damage? Why Banks Are Only Starting to Uncover Their Subprime Losses
Yahoooooo! ^ | November 4, 2007 | Gillian Tett & Paul Davies

Posted on 11/05/2007 6:17:03 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-59 next last
To: RSmithOpt

Insurance is under $1,000; much of the value is in the land and I carry HIGH deductibles.

Taxes have gone from $1,000 per year when I bought it to $6,000 per year today.


21 posted on 11/05/2007 7:50:11 AM PST by HD1200
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: 2banana

Your right...............SELL NOW!

LOL.


22 posted on 11/05/2007 7:55:12 AM PST by HD1200
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: HD1200
Your right...............SELL NOW!

TOO LATE! MER is down 50%, BSC down 40%, C is down 40%, ANK down 75%, CFC down 75% - shall I go on?

And just wait until consumer spending slows as the house ATM is now closed.

No LOL

23 posted on 11/05/2007 7:59:04 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: 2banana

Dang. Looks like a buying opportunity. I might just buy some financials stocks today........


24 posted on 11/05/2007 8:02:23 AM PST by HD1200
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: HD1200
I completely agree with your 'valuation' statements, however, my concern is with incomes going towards repayments of credit card debt and home equity loans where stuff was bought (not remodeling jobs, etc to increase valuations) as a percentage of GDP.

What is the valuation of a piece of real estate (home and land) going to be now if 60% of the wage earners can never even think of the purchasing of such?

I'm just curious at the amount of 'shrink-back' coming in real estate prices (values), the delay period for the 'next recovery / growth period', and will the local gov's and insurance companies scale back their valuations accordingly (I know that's a pipe dream in reality)?

Just a concern now.....

The US dollar will continue its slide through the Nov. '08 election, meaning, imports will cost more, especially crude oil, gasoline, natural gas, which, in turns, increases the costs of domestically made goods / food, etc.

The dollar weakness now is a result of too much consumer debt and the Fed's refusing to stop printing up so much cash when we have serious trade deficits w/ respect to OPEC and China....

I ain't gonna be pretty.

In a good rel estate market here in NC, I noticed a new subdivision going in and the sign originally said "Starting in the $270's". That was on Friday. This morning it read: "Starting in the $240's"

25 posted on 11/05/2007 8:09:34 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: HD1200
Dang. Looks like a buying opportunity. I might just buy some financials stocks today........

I would WAIT until at least 15 Nov - and if you don't know what is going to happen on 15 Nov to the balance sheets of financial stocks - you have not done your homework.

26 posted on 11/05/2007 8:14:34 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Diana in Wisconsin
What a house of cards...

Mike

27 posted on 11/05/2007 8:19:56 AM PST by MichaelP (The Big Picture IS important!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2banana
"The losses for the housing bubble/fraud/greed is going to approach $1 Trillion...it is going to make the S&L mess look like a Sunday picnic."

Nope. The S&L crisis lost real money. In contrast, the sub-prime crisis is predominantly paper write-downs of debt on the one hand and of housing prices on the other.

Real money losses vs paper losses. The S&L crisis was bigger in every way except in impact on the Secondary Market's liquidity.

...and our economy was half the size then as it is today.

28 posted on 11/05/2007 8:37:29 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: 2banana
"And just wait until consumer spending slows as the house ATM is now closed."

Home prices haven't been going up in over a year, and new sub-prime loans haven't been made on a regular basis for the past 6 months, so the "use your house as an ATM by refinancing" angle has been squashed for months or longer.

...yet our GDP has grown considerably in spite of said ATM theory not being in play.

Salaries are up. Employment is up. Productivity is up. Thus, so too is our overall economy.

Take $200 Billion out of our $12 Trillion GDP and that's where we'll be mid-2008.

29 posted on 11/05/2007 8:49:45 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Southack
When do I pick up some bank and financial stocks then? BA and Merrill look good right now.

With stocks on a downturn, you can never pay too much, just buy too soon ;)

30 posted on 11/05/2007 8:57:01 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: DCBryan1

18 months from the first credit injection by the Fed is a good rule of thumb for the turnaround to begin...so, end of next year.


31 posted on 11/05/2007 8:58:32 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Diana in Wisconsin
Blame the pension funds, who are automatically forced to sell any downgraded investments.

The selling has started a downward spiral and nobody knows when it will end. The Fed can't stop people from selling a failing investment. All they can do is hyperinflate to try to save the banks.


BUMP

32 posted on 11/05/2007 9:06:57 AM PST by capitalist229
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oldbill

“Then the housing bubble burst. The illegal renters started losing work and were evicted. The landlords couldn’t service the mortgage and/or with lowering values the mortgages went upside down so it was easy to walk away and foreclose.”

In AZ the unemployment is less than 4% but the foreclosure rate is at a 8 year high. The home builders are still building houses!

The million’s of “New workers” that have come to the state will soon be out of work and will just pick up and leave.

We are seeing just the start of the housing price fall.

The house across the street is listed for $390,000 and is in worse shape than mine, which I paid $155,000 5 years ago. I suspect it will sell in a year or so for $165 or less!
Everyone in AZ is frozen in their houses because of the number of homes for sale compared to buyers.

I blame the banks for all of the housing bubble. They deserve what they get.


33 posted on 11/05/2007 9:27:47 AM PST by Goldwater and Gingrich
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Goldwater and Gingrich

Unfortunately, what they (the banks) are gonna get is your tax dollars to bail ‘em out.


34 posted on 11/05/2007 9:32:28 AM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: 2banana

That “Congressional Committee Report” was ginned up by the Democrats on the Joint Economic Committee and is not credible. It mostly used “data” fed to it by leftwing consumer groups and trial lawyer fronts. It is Chuck Schumer’s partisan mouthpiece. The nonpartisan GAO issued a less biased report a few weeks ago with much smaller projections of foreclosures and lender losses.


35 posted on 11/05/2007 10:19:48 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Remember the Pentagon - - www.pentagonmemorial.net)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: HD1200

Dang. Looks like a buying opportunity. I might just buy some financials stocks today........
*************************************
.......you like catching falling knives?


36 posted on 11/05/2007 12:34:55 PM PST by Neidermeyer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Southack

Real money losses vs paper losses.
*****************************************
I have a $100.00 bill in my pocket ,,, I think I’ll wad it up and throw it away ... after all it’s just a piece of paper, it’s not real goods.....


37 posted on 11/05/2007 12:37:17 PM PST by Neidermeyer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Neidermeyer

Where are you going to throw it? I might swing by that way.

Seriously, Southback is right about it being paper losses.


38 posted on 11/05/2007 1:09:35 PM PST by HD1200
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Neidermeyer

“paper losses” is a figure of speech for a value being lowered in the print of an accounting table.

It does *not* mean that you are throwing fiat paper currency out of your window as you drive by a crowd of starving teens.

It just means that $10 Million in appraised value is now $5 million in estimated value on a piece of paper that you have to show IRS agents and private investors, hypothetically.


39 posted on 11/05/2007 1:34:13 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Hydroshock; Southack; Professional
However, when it comes to working out the impact on banks, the task becomes even harder. For in recent years, banks have not simply been acquiring subprime loans, they have been repackaging them into complex "asset-backed securities" (ABS) that can be difficult to value.

Have you heard the new slang term for these "asset backed securities?"

Ass-paper.

I kid you not.

40 posted on 11/05/2007 1:34:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-59 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson