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To: puroresu
It is individual people that have become tolerant of others who make choices on behalf of themselves. Of course abortion is a choice that affects more than just the mother (I believe it results in the murder of an innocent life yet to leave the womb) but some women either do not believe this the case or do it (abort their children) for selfish reasons. These women have got to answer for their actions when it matters most; after this life. As to homosexuality, why is this behavior any of my business? Again, I defer that the judgement rests with God, not me.

Bottom line, I don't buy into your doomsday scenario that tolerance leads to perversion and culural decay. In my opinion, if you're a 'culture warrior' who pursues morality legislation (inviting the government into matters where liberty should trump), you are part of the problem with modern-day conservatism, in my book, and are causing the decay in liberties and freedoms.

181 posted on 11/05/2007 7:51:51 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe
These women have got to answer for their actions when it matters most; after this life....Again, I defer that the judgement rests with God, not me..

Based on this logic there should be no laws for murder. Maybe no laws at all. The purpose of liberty is not to justify the taking a life or another's rights. The very purpose of our government is to protect the individuals rights. That does not give a woman a right to kill the baby in her body any more then it gives her the right to kill her toddler.
184 posted on 11/05/2007 8:03:27 AM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Well, simple observation would back my contention. Do you think there’s any chance of San Francisco becoming fiscally conservative anytime soon? Is “tolerant” Sweden going to ween itself from the nanny state? Is Canada, where social conservatives are outcasts, going to abolish national health care?

Has “tolerance” of homosexuality led to more government or less? It’s led to more, of course. In return for “liberating” homosexuals from those insidious sodomy laws, we now have laws banning private businesses from discriminating against homosexuals. We have laws forcing landlords to rent to them. We have forced homosexual indoctrination of our kids in the schools. We have private organizations being forced to change their moral beliefs to those of the state or risk being punished. We have nominees to government posts raked over the coals for refusing to expose their small children to homosexuality. We have speech codes and hate crime laws. We have private businesses being forced to provide services to homosexual “couples”.

In ther words, we have ten times as much government as we would have had if we had kept homosexuality closeted in the first place. Social liberalism (libertarianism) is just a form of soma, bread and circuses to the ignorant masses so they’ll capitulate all their most important rights (free speech, right to self government, property rights, religious liberty) to the state.


186 posted on 11/05/2007 8:06:28 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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