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To: LowCountryJoe

Well, simple observation would back my contention. Do you think there’s any chance of San Francisco becoming fiscally conservative anytime soon? Is “tolerant” Sweden going to ween itself from the nanny state? Is Canada, where social conservatives are outcasts, going to abolish national health care?

Has “tolerance” of homosexuality led to more government or less? It’s led to more, of course. In return for “liberating” homosexuals from those insidious sodomy laws, we now have laws banning private businesses from discriminating against homosexuals. We have laws forcing landlords to rent to them. We have forced homosexual indoctrination of our kids in the schools. We have private organizations being forced to change their moral beliefs to those of the state or risk being punished. We have nominees to government posts raked over the coals for refusing to expose their small children to homosexuality. We have speech codes and hate crime laws. We have private businesses being forced to provide services to homosexual “couples”.

In ther words, we have ten times as much government as we would have had if we had kept homosexuality closeted in the first place. Social liberalism (libertarianism) is just a form of soma, bread and circuses to the ignorant masses so they’ll capitulate all their most important rights (free speech, right to self government, property rights, religious liberty) to the state.


186 posted on 11/05/2007 8:06:28 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu
Has “tolerance” of homosexuality led to more government or less? It’s led to more, of course. In return for “liberating” homosexuals from those insidious sodomy laws, we now have laws banning private businesses from discriminating against homosexuals.

Intolerance caused more legislation, period! It is intolerance of another person's (group's) views that always enables more government intrusion. Those that enjoy the power to use government -- while their favorite enablers are at the helm -- should not be surprised to see the same power used against their convictions when the other enablers are at the helm. So, your question posed to me is too complex to answer because the causation you're inferring is screwy. We have forced homosexual indoctrination of our kids in the schools.

I support vouchers, thank you very much. And even would if a few parents wanted to take their kids to a school with a homosexual, satanic, communist curriculum.

We have private organizations being forced to change their moral beliefs to those of the state or risk being punished. We have nominees to government posts raked over the coals for refusing to expose their small children to homosexuality. We have speech codes and hate crime laws. We have private businesses being forced to provide services to homosexual “couples”.

All courtesy of the blunt instrument that likes to be wielded once our favored ass-hats are 'managing the people's affairs'.

In ther words, we have ten times as much government as we would have had if we had kept homosexuality closeted in the first place.

Then it's a good thing that Thomas Paine's behavior was well closeted then otherwise history could have been radically different.Social liberalism (libertarianism) is just a form of soma, bread and circuses to the ignorant masses so they’ll capitulate all their most important rights (free speech, right to self government, property rights, religious liberty) to the state.

It's funny that you speak of libertarianism with such authority and even use the word ignorant while doing so!

193 posted on 11/05/2007 8:40:33 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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damned those formatting errors...I should have previewed the post.
196 posted on 11/05/2007 8:55:01 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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