Public: Guiliani has best chance of defeating Clinton

Gallup News Service ^ | 11/2/07 | Joseph Carroll

[ballplayer]

Oh yeah ,then tell me what happens to the illegal immigration debate if Rudy is the nominee and Hillary is the Democrat nominee. Since both of them have the same position WE ALL LOSE because they will both ignore it .

[Auntie Toots]

you said. “But I’ll vote for my neighbor’s dog before I vote for Rudy Guiliani. I won’t vote for him (or any other RINO), but I won’t vote for Hillary either.”

stubbornness like this will be our downfall

[hiredhand]

You call it stubbornness. We call it resolve. We've resolved to do what's right this time. However, the responsibility of downfall will rest with cowards who voted for the one who was "electible", even though a terrible example and a miserable, pandering politician. Not that it will matter much at that point. We'll all lament the outcome.

I'm not surprised by what you've said though. It's a common response to blame those such as myself when those who do simply can't bring themselves to do what's right, and correct.

[incindiary]

I think he’s the one with the least chance of beating Hillary.

[MHT]

I think that it’s the likeability factor that’s leading the way. I think it is Harris International who does a likeability poll days before the election and it is never wrong. People sit down the weekend before the election and decide whom they would rather watch on tv for the next four years, with which candidate they would most like to share a beer. Rudy is the most likeable Republican at this point, which is why the Dems are going crazy trying to make Hillary seem so “approachable” and “fun-loving”. Bill was a natural, much easier to watch that the belaboring Old Bush or rigid Bob Dole. Kerry and Gore were uptight elitist, pompous jerks compared to Bush in a pick-up truck. Romney is never without a black suit and tie and looks like an undertaker. Can’t have a beer with him, he doesn’t drink and looks like he’s never even heard an off-color story muchless told one. Fred seems old and tired. McCain has the old anger issues. People think Rudy’s “real”, which is why he’s ahead. Debates without all the others would have been helpful to really clear out the fluff from the issues, but that was not to be thanks to the likes of Ron Paul et al.

[CounterCounterCulture]

Ditto that. Rudy will turn off too much of the Republican base and he has too much baggage (infidelity). Hillary would love a rematch of their 2000 New York Senate race. [insert Hillary’s cackle]

[karnage]

No, I do not. But I do think his off-brand religion will give many voters pause. They may not give interviews broadcasting that point of view - lest they appear “intolerant” - but they will hesitate to punch his ticket.

[Auntie Toots]

You said, “It’s a common response to blame those such as myself when those who do simply can’t bring themselves to do what’s right, and correct.”

Well, we can’t vote for that certain conservative someone who doesn’t have enough of whatever it takes to grab the attention of the populace.....some people, no matter how we would like them to be on the ballot, simply don’t have that kind of charisma....and they will never make it....sorry, but that’s the fact.

[hiredhand]

Charisma? I suppose this is one of the reasons why we're doomed. Because people will vote for who gives the answers they want, and who looks the best and who has "charisma", rather than characteristics which truly define leaders of nations.

We're just not there anymore. LOTS of people just aren't "there" anymore. I just happen to be one that will say so, and there are very few like me who will even say these things. Most won't debate, or do much other than frown and shake their heads when they read threads such as this one. But too many people agree with what I observe and see truth in it. Too many for me to simply be written off as another disillusioned GOP separatist.

If the GOP nominates the Cross Dressing Freak (Guiliani), Willard The Weatherman (Romney), or the Green Card Amigo (McCain)...or anybody else like them, the TOP is through. The race is over. We'll get no pleasure in saying that we were right. In fact, we'll most likely go on as most of us do and just be quiet about the tragedy.

I'm simply one of a very few out of many people who's willing to take heat (and I HAVE) for telling others that we're willing to catalyze a catastrophe simply by doing what's right. Furthermore, we don't FEAR. People can choose to believe these things or not. It doesn't really matter to us because we have nothing to loose either way. We're not driven by fear like the "Anybody But Hillary" crowd.

We don't care about charisma, smooth talk, double speak, or empty promises, and the GOP top three are nothing but these things....despicable, terrible examples of men...not fit to lead a girl scout troop, much less our nation. All three of them are panderers, liars, and vote sellers. We just don't see that big a difference between them and the likes of Hillary Clinton. Oh sure, we can argue about it. But it still boils down to which of the entire bunch of them is the "best of the worst"....which is what we've been saying all along, and which is the entire reason why we won't vote for ANY of them.

So those who will vote for "charisma", electability, and other "fluff factors"... go ahead. But if things stay the way they are today, the GOP is going to get trounced in 2008. I personally believe they're smarter than this and that it's all planned. Why else would they push these three schmucks (Rudy McRomney) up into the front?

The GOP has lost their minds. We're simply going to affirm this fact with our vote. Telling them certainly seems to have no affect. But if they want to, people are free to believe that the GOP is still working in their best interest, and they can vote for whom they will. But if things don't change in the next six months or so, the GOP will simply morph into the DNC and the DNC will join forces with the Church of Satan, Nazi Party, or a similar group.

[Auntie Toots]

You said, "Charisma? I suppose this is one of the reasons why we're doomed. Because people will vote for who gives the answers they want, and who looks the best and who has "charisma", rather than characteristics which truly define leaders of nations."

Yup, I said charisma....It's a tv and sound bite world....the candidate has to have an aura, has to be appealing. has to have that certain something that makes people sit up and notice....

actually I agree with you about your choice of candidate, I wish for the same.....

except there is not a conservative candidate in the running that has the appeal to attract and keep people's attention for any length of time.....

and yes, sad to say, we may be doomed

[whenigettime]

I am also for Guiliani even though I could wish for a Reagan.

We MUST defeat Hitlery.

[Swordfished]

I know Thompson’s out for you b/c of the abortion issue...so who’s your candidate again? Keyes?

[Swordfished]

The same public who doesn’t know that Rudy is pro abortion?

Sheeple.

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