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The myth of Rudy's electability [MUST READ!]
North Star Writer's Group via The Keizer Times ^ | November 2, 2007 | Paul Ibrahim

Posted on 11/03/2007 5:12:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: ricks_place

Balony!!!!!!!!!!


41 posted on 11/03/2007 7:45:32 AM PDT by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Giuliani is a cross-dressing liberal running as a conservative. He masks his abortion, gay and RINO agenda using fear as boob bait for the bubbas. “Only I can protect you”.

When he had his chance on the 9/11 Commission, he cut and ran. When he had a chance to nominate a Homeland Protector, he chose his business partner, Kerik, now facing criminal charges.


42 posted on 11/03/2007 7:47:21 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ARE SOLE

“Giuliani is a liberal.”

This is true and we all know it. And that is WHY he CAN beat Hillary.

Like it not, there are a LOT of Republicans that are not as conservative as a lot of people around here think that they should be. Many of them are pro-choice and (gasp!) even gay.

I like Fred and will vote for him. But I think that Rudy will get more votes because a lot of pro-choice voters will prefer him to Hillary. They won’t vote at all for Fred.


43 posted on 11/03/2007 7:48:24 AM PDT by aj7360
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To: ricks_place
"There is just one single issue that matters before all others, Utter Unequivocal Defeat of Radical, Militant, Terrorist Islam. Liberal-Conservative policy discussions and disputes will not matter in an American governed by medieval sharia law. America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani understands the Radical Islam war like no other presidential candidate."

I've heard this argument time and time again. WRONG! 1. We are in much more danger of a leftist/socialist (Rudy/Mitt or the Dems) takeover than we are of an Islamic takeover. 2. How does being the victim of the worst terror attack in U.S. history make you a terror warrior? 3. If we abort our own citizens, what need have we of jihadists to kill them with car bombs or beheadings? 4. He may be your mayor, but he's not mine! 5. Without our guns, how will we defend ourselves from Islamic terrorists OR statist tyrants? 6. Do you think jihadists will fear a man in women's clothing?

44 posted on 11/03/2007 7:48:33 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: ricks_place
It's absolutely OUTRAGEOUS to think that Giuliani is the only (or even best) Republican to aggressively fight the WOT (Paul doesn't even count).

I keep asking the 20%ers (aka the Rudy apologists) exactly what Guiliani would do different than President Bush in the WOT?

Push for more gun control?

Sue gun manufacturers?

Expand sanctuary cities?

Encourage more illegal aliens by telling them that they are NOT really illegal?

Allow gays to openly serve in the military?

Locate emergency command centers to the most likely target (like he did in NY)?

Make quality appointments to important positions like his recommendation to President Bush of Bernie Kerik to head Homeland Security?

It's outrageous to think that we need a LIBERAL to successfully fight the WOT.

45 posted on 11/03/2007 7:51:27 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will ENERGIZE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: ricks_place
"Liberal-Conservative policy discussions and disputes will not matter in an American governed by medieval sharia law."

Don't worry. Take your meds. You will be protected.

46 posted on 11/03/2007 7:52:45 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: mvpel

No, his campaign is attracting conspiracy nuts who yell and scream about the Constitution, but couldn’t tell you a thing about whats in it. And those are his better followers. Don’t get me started on the Stormfront bigots.


47 posted on 11/03/2007 7:54:47 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Now more popular than Congress!* *According to a new RasMESSen Poll.)
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To: ricks_place
America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani understands the Radical Islam war like no other presidential candidate .

LOL! He is going to fight terror via sanctuary cities and open borders..?

You Rudyphiles just don't get it. Rudy is a horrible candidate in every way a candidate can be horrible.

48 posted on 11/03/2007 7:55:45 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: sport; 2ndDivisionVet; stockstrader; ex-snook; HerrBlucher

Do you folks agree that the defeat of Radical Islam is the top issue facing America?


49 posted on 11/03/2007 8:04:23 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: petercooper
Rudy is a tax cutting

His marginal tax cuts were swallowed up by more city spending

tough on crime liberal.

America isn't NYC and we don't want Rudy's authoritarian, police state tactics everywhere else.

Rudy's nominated = 3rd party

50 posted on 11/03/2007 8:05:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: ricks_place
Do you folks agree that the defeat of Radical Islam is the top issue facing America?

Do you realize that all of the other GOP candidates, including Ron Paul, are better than Rudy at fighting the WOT?

Rudy's nominated = 3rd party

51 posted on 11/03/2007 8:06:33 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: kjo
I agree. I am supporting FDT in the primaries but I will support the nominee in the general election.

However, I do not think that Giuliani is electable. He will split the party. Conservatives are not going to provide strong support for him. If conservatives support the nominee, he has a good chance in the general election.

FDT is the only candidate who can unite the party and win in November. Giuliani will split the party. Romney is not electable in November. The other candidates do not have a chance in November so they should drop out now. If anyone but FDT wins the nomination, we will be dealing with a committed Marxist and criminal for 8 years.

52 posted on 11/03/2007 8:08:44 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; mvpel
Perhaps you Paulestinians should start your own "conservative" website?

We're right at home here, no need for flames. I disagree with the poster's 2nd part of his post too.

A lot of Paul supporters disagree with Paul on foreign policy, but you can't refute what FReeper mvpel said at the beginning. Like it or not, lots of independents and frustrated conservatives are gravitating to the Paul campaign. Go ahead and say they're Truthers, anti-war kooks, or White Supremacists, but those are facts.

53 posted on 11/03/2007 8:12:15 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: ricks_place
Do you folks agree that the defeat of Radical Islam is the top issue facing America?

Of course, but that issue intertwines with the issue of open borders, something Bush has never owned up to and neither will Rudy. Rudy won't be any worse than Bush on the issue, but he will be no better. Fred will be better on the WOT, and virtually every other conservative issue.

Rudy needs to tune in, turn on, and DROP OUT of the race, and throw his support to Fred.

54 posted on 11/03/2007 8:14:27 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: kjo
"And he sure is better than Hitlery."

Not appreciably if you are conservative. At least not enough to bother to vote for one or the other if the non-choice is Rudy v. Hillary.

55 posted on 11/03/2007 8:15:39 AM PDT by penowa
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To: kjo

Yeah, he's just what we need.

56 posted on 11/03/2007 8:19:10 AM PDT by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: stevie_d_64
"Personally, I believe its part of that big plan that is the real bi-partisan workings behind the scenes..."

Some of them may be flakking for Rudy for that reason; most are simply looking ahead to the disappearance of their livelihood if Hillary is elected, and buying into the MSM siren call that "Rudy is electable" and for that reason they will beat the drums and hammer their listeners to vote for anyone or anything as long as it has an "R" following its name. They are willing to turn themselves into huge hypocrites to do whatever it takes to keep their employment, not realizing that many of their listeners will be tuning them out long before the election.

57 posted on 11/03/2007 8:24:33 AM PDT by penowa
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Giuliani’s supporters will concede that he is not that conservative on social issues, but that really it is a good thing because we don’t want extremist evangelical Christians taking over the GOP. But opposing liberal judges does not make you an extremist. It merely makes you conservative.


The author’s argument fell apart right there.

There are no extremist evangelical Christians taking over the GOP, there are social conservatives who are active in the party.

And Rudy opposes liberal judges just like they do, which is why Rudy is so electable against Hillary, who will support the complete opposite.

And social conservatives understand this above all else.


58 posted on 11/03/2007 8:25:00 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: ricks_place
"Do you folks agree that the defeat of Radical Islam is the top issue facing America?"

Nonsense. Our biggest future challenge is from China both in economic and military terms. A 3rd world group of people without a world class military anything blowing up cars, improvising devices and stealing planes is hardly the top threat. If Washington thought this was our biggest problem, they would mobilize the nation, start the draft, ration oil, and put Rosie the Riveter back backing the weapons. If they ever bombed us, we would obliterate them. We got the greatest military. This issue is really over hyped as a threat to us.

59 posted on 11/03/2007 8:27:20 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ricks_place

“There is just one single issue that matters before all others, Utter Unequivocal Defeat of Radical, Militant, Terrorist Islam. Liberal-Conservative policy discussions and disputes will not matter in an American governed by medieval sharia law. America’s Mayor Rudy Giuliani understands the Radical Islam war like no other presidential candidate .”

Sieg Heil!!!!!


60 posted on 11/03/2007 8:27:54 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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