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To: DesScorp
As a former combat infantryman I have a deep and lasting appreciation for the guys in the "Big Blue Wrecking Crew". The next most beautiful picture to me, after my wife and kids, is the image of an F4 in a close air support Napalm drop. No body can bring hurt in an enemy like they can!

The problem today is not with the Air Force, but with the policy makers. When you park the B52's you are telling the enemy and the world that there are things more important to you than military victory. More rubble means less trouble.

13 posted on 11/02/2007 1:46:53 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

Ok, this gets my vote for most ignorant idea of the month.


18 posted on 11/02/2007 1:48:59 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Natural Law

F4J.......physical proof that if you put big enough engines in a brick, it will fly...


38 posted on 11/02/2007 1:56:07 PM PDT by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: Natural Law

Your complaints should be directed against the leaders of the Air Force, not the policy makers.


50 posted on 11/02/2007 2:02:36 PM PDT by quadrant
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To: Natural Law
The problem today is not with the Air Force, but with the policy makers. When you park the B52's you are telling the enemy and the world that there are things more important to you than military victory. More rubble means less trouble.

You got that right. I've always thought that when the Air Force concentrated on precision weaponry they got a double edged sword. That precision is necessary, but the Iraqi army and the VC will both tell you that nothing can do the kind of psychological damage that a B-52 on a carpet bombing run can.
82 posted on 11/02/2007 2:13:48 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Natural Law
More rubble means less trouble.
Yup.
84 posted on 11/02/2007 2:14:27 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Natural Law
The problem today is not with the Air Force, but with the policy makers.

You can say that again.

97 posted on 11/02/2007 2:20:37 PM PDT by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/school-of-the-counterpropagandist/)
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To: Natural Law; joe fonebone; ThisLittleLightofMine

One of my relatives was a fighter pilot in WWII, Korea, and finally Vietnam, where he gave his life destroying an important target and was awarded the Cross posthumously. The Air Force is VERY IMPORTANT.

But those were interesting points in the first post. It might make better sense to combine armed forces, making the AF a branch of the Army again.


112 posted on 11/02/2007 2:30:56 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Natural Law
More rubble means less trouble

Enuf said!!

119 posted on 11/02/2007 2:36:36 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: Natural Law

Well said! I was Army, and I think it would be a mistake to abolish the AF.


148 posted on 11/02/2007 3:32:22 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Natural Law
As a former combat infantryman I have a deep and lasting appreciation for the guys in the "Big Blue Wrecking Crew". The next most beautiful picture to me, after my wife and kids, is the image of an F4 in a close air support Napalm drop. No body can bring hurt in an enemy like they can!

Thank you Natural Law! One of my friends who is a Marine, served in Viet Nom said the same thing! GO AF!

171 posted on 11/02/2007 3:59:58 PM PDT by notaliberal
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To: Natural Law

Aaahh! Thanks for the memory. Flying from a base during the Vietnam conflict that hardly had a jet engine anywhere except in the Superjollygreen helicopters, the general feeling about fast movers, was they couldn’t hit a bull in the ass with a base fiddle. That was a fair generalization from a base full of radial engine straight wing bombers and fighters.

Reality might have been a little different, but really close air support was the forte of the SAR “Search and Rescue” forces and they were really good when it counted which was always. Fast forward to today, with smart weapons that are so much more accurate than the iron bombs of yesteryear, and I’m not sure what the problem is, unless it is just perception.


187 posted on 11/02/2007 4:50:18 PM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Natural Law

>>Unfortunately, the Air Force has had a poor strategic record. In the Korean War, heavy strategic attacks on North Korean cities failed to reduce Communist capabilities. Operation Rolling Thunder — the campaign designed to destroy North Vietnamese will, transport capacity, and industry — went on for three years and had little noticeable effect on the course of that war.<<

>The problem today is not with the Air Force, but with the policy makers.<

The author evidently has NOT spoken with pilots who flew in North Viet Nam. Our pilots were not allowed to attack within 20 miles of the entire coastline. All targets were approved by the United Nations at least 24 hours before being attacked.

Now the part that gets me is, us not being allowed to attack the coastline, port or harbors, or any factories or anything built within 20 miles of the water.

I ask myself why not. If we had closed the harbors and railroads to China, we would have ended the war in a few months.


256 posted on 11/02/2007 10:53:30 PM PDT by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Natural Law
More rubble means less trouble

Amen!

266 posted on 11/03/2007 4:40:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Pacifism is not moral. True morality requires evil be opposed, not appeased)
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