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Sinking Currency, Sinking Country
World Net Daily ^ | 11/02/07 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 11/02/2007 5:23:12 AM PDT by Thorin

The euro, worth 83 cents in the early George W. Bush years, is at $1.45.

The British pound is back up over $2, the highest level since the Carter era. The Canadian dollar, which used to be worth 65 cents, is worth more than the U.S. dollar for the first time in half a century.

Oil is over $90 a barrel. Gold, down to $260 an ounce not so long ago, has hit $800.

Have gold, silver, oil, the euro, the pound and the Canadian dollar all suddenly soared in value in just a few years?

Nope. The dollar has plummeted in value, more so in Bush's term than during any comparable period of U.S. history. Indeed, Bush is presiding over a worldwide abandonment of the American dollar.

Is it all Bush's fault? Nope.

The dollar is plunging because America has been living beyond her means, borrowing $2 billion a day from foreign nations to maintain her standard of living and to sustain the American Imperium.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: alasandalack; democrat; depression; despair; doom; dustbowl; economicignorance; economictreason; freetrade; fretradefolly; mercantilism; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat; sackclothandashes; woeisme
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To: dennisw

Pretty good example.


501 posted on 11/05/2007 1:45:38 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; dennisw; 1rudeboy
I have an oblique answer

Canada
Australia
European Union

Have no trade deficit and their currencies appreciate against the US dollar. So draw your own conclusions

Pretty good example.

That's why the Euro dropped to 83 cents in 2000, because the EU had a trade deficit and we didn't?

502 posted on 11/05/2007 2:06:44 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Paul Ross
His data is fascinating when you dissect out from the exports the things which we don't even make: TVs & VCR, DVD players, etc. None. NONE.

We make none? NONE?

I don't suppose you have any proof? PROOF?

503 posted on 11/05/2007 2:08:09 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Thorin

The only thing Buchanan’s ever nailed was... um... Never mind. Let’s not go there.

But in any event, a weaker dollar simply means that we can’t afford to buy foreign made doodads. Since we’ll still want the doodads, someone will get the bright idea to make them right here in the US of A instead of in China. Thus more Americans will be able to get jobs fit for Chinese peasants.

OK... That came out wrong; but, you get the picture.


504 posted on 11/05/2007 2:15:06 PM PST by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
It's an interesting evidentiary standard. "I don't know of any, so the published figures must be incorrect."
505 posted on 11/05/2007 2:35:13 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
That’s typical for Paul. I wonder if he pulls that in front of a judge?
506 posted on 11/05/2007 2:45:23 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Paul Ross
I don't suppose you have any proof? PROOF?

This is from 2003. What is it now? 1-2%??? Do you think the number is going down or up based upon the statement below?

December 22nd, 2003 4.7% of TV sets sold in US are US-made Posted by ZDNet Research @ 3:47 pm

Categories: Television

The number of televisions with screens 20” or larger exported from China to the United States has soared to an estimated 2 mil sets this year from less than 16,000 sets in 2000. According to industry experts, only about 1.5 mil of the 32 mil sets sold in the United States annually are made here; the rest come mainly from Mexico and Asia

507 posted on 11/05/2007 3:28:50 PM PST by am452 (If you don't stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Paul Ross

According to this article many of the big TV companies in 2003 were planning to shut down production in 1st world countries and move production to China and other low cost countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/22/business/worldbusiness/22thomson.html?ex=1072760400?en=9bcd1a28c2554863&ei=5058&partner=IWON


508 posted on 11/05/2007 3:45:51 PM PST by am452 (If you don't stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
His data is fascinating when you dissect out from the exports the things which we don't even make: TVs & VCR, DVD players, etc. None. NONE.

We make none? NONE?

I don't suppose you have any proof? PROOF?

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What an infantile mind you have. So what if we make 1 or 2 % of TVs here from foreign components? This has no bearing on anything. Paul has made his point that we just don't make those things here. They are made in Asia and we borrow money from Asians/Chinese to buy them. That's the big picture. But like a two year old you go none? none? none?.

509 posted on 11/05/2007 4:10:31 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: dennisw
So what if we make 1 or 2 % of TVs here from foreign components?

Are you claiming that 1% or 2% is more than none? Thanks.

Paul has made his point that we just don't make those things here.

Paul's point was that we made none. That'd be 0%.

510 posted on 11/05/2007 4:23:17 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Idiot child-

When someone says we don’t make TVs anymore in the USA it’s commonly understood by adults that this statement is not negated if we make a few here - 1-2%
This is known as colloquial usage. But like an infant you take Paul’s statement too literally. Adults have no trouble getting Paul Ross’s point


511 posted on 11/05/2007 4:42:52 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: dennisw
This is known as colloquial usage.

Exactly

512 posted on 11/05/2007 4:44:35 PM PST by am452 (If you don't stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them!!)
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To: am452

Toddler is quiet. He must be taking his nap


513 posted on 11/05/2007 5:51:44 PM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: 1rudeboy
No Chinese products used in the above. Zip

Why not name the -no chinese products- products you use? That don't have ingredients that come from China? Remember how you laughed when the garlic farmers struggeled against the Chinese plan to wipe out our domestic producers? Are you telling us you never eat garlic in any way shape or form? Or use anything that contains honey? Or mint? Or propolene glycol? or wheat gluten? You must grow your own wheat and bake your own bread LOLOL!
514 posted on 11/05/2007 6:36:59 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: 1rudeboy
I have purchased two (for sure) or three (maybe) Chinese products since the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989.

Bullcrap. It's not near impossible but it is impossible to have ONLY bought 2-3 items that originated in China since 1989. It would take a person hours upon end to shop for simple items NOT made in China. For instance 42% of R/X drug ingrediants come from China. You have not taken any meds or aspirin since 1989?

515 posted on 11/05/2007 6:56:53 PM PST by am452 (If you don't stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them!!)
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To: 1rudeboy; jpsb; Paul Ross; Hydroshock
I have purchased two (for sure) or three (maybe) Chinese products since the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989.

Just read this again. So if you buy a toothbrush, pen, greeting card, baseball cap or pennant at a ball game, lawn sprinkler, air filter for your car, dvd etc you check to make sure it was not made in China? Bullcrap again!!!!!!!!!!!!

516 posted on 11/05/2007 7:04:30 PM PST by am452 (If you don't stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them!!)
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To: am452

Nobody makes TVs here anymore. It’s not worth arguing about, nor utilizing rhetorical devices to keep arguing about, sheesh.

More importantly there isn’t a single LCD manufacturer in the US either. That’s where the things are going anyway, the “tube” being obsolete.

LCD production is too “polluting”, which is apparently one of our biggest exports - any industry which isn’t clean enough for the greenies.


517 posted on 11/05/2007 7:30:53 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: am452
So if you buy a toothbrush, pen, greeting card, baseball cap or pennant at a ball game, lawn sprinkler, air filter for your car, dvd etc you check to make sure it was not made in China?

1. toothbrush--made in U.S.A. (G-U-M)(bought it last week),
2. pen--made in U.S.A. (Cross)(haven't bought one for a while),
3. greeting card--make my own,
4. baseball cap--made in U.S.A. (New Era)(bought it years ago),
5. pennant--don't buy them they're gay,
6. lawn sprinkler--don't have one,
7. air filter--not from China (last time I checked), and
8. DVD--don't buy them.

I shop for U.S. products and take pleasure in buying them over overs. I buy imports by choice, not because someone has a gun to my head or because I'm too lazy to walk out of the store empty-handed. You are free to make the argument (as you are making, and hedgetrimmer had to be prodded to do so), that the wool in my baseball cap was imported "unfairly" from Peru duty-free under Reagan's CBI. I will proceed to make the argument that that precisely is the reason we need a FTA with Peru. The usual suspects will then twist themselves into knots explaining what the word "fair" means.

Now, if you wish to discuss industrial chemicals (an industry in the U.S. that is humming right along, but complaining about energy costs) that's ok also. So let's look up the tariff-rate on polymolyalidocious and go from there.

518 posted on 11/06/2007 4:25:33 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Freedom4US
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Syntax-Brillian has made a splash with its Olevia brand of flat-panel TV sets, marketing them as high-quality, low-cost alternatives to the offerings of larger competitors such as Samsung and Panasonic.
The company is hoping to gain additional advantage over rivals by opening earlier this week what is believed to be the first high-definition flat-panel TV assembly facility in the United States.
Seattle Times, October 28, 2006. (excerpt)

Any West Coast FReepers know more about this plant? Hedge? [chuckle]
519 posted on 11/06/2007 4:31:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer

Forgot to ping you, sorry. (I bake my own bread, btw).


520 posted on 11/06/2007 4:32:13 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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