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Obama would engage Iran if elected, he says
International Herald Tribune ^ | Nov 1, 2007 | Michael R. Gordon and Jeff Zeleny

Posted on 11/01/2007 8:10:25 PM PDT by phatus maximus

CHICAGO: If elected president, Senator Barack Obama would meet with Iran's leaders and offer economic inducements and a possible promise not to seek "regime change" if Iran stopped meddling in Iraq and cooperated on terrorism and nuclear issues.

In an hour-long interview on Wednesday, Obama made clear that forging a new relationship with Iran would be a major element of a broad effort to stabilize Iraq. And he vowed to engage in "aggressive personal diplomacy" with Iran and other regional powers as he withdrew American combat forces in Iraq.

Obama said that Iran had been "acting irresponsibly" by supporting Shiite militant groups in Iraq. He also stressed that Tehran's suspected nuclear weapons program and its support for "terrorist activities" were serious concerns and that "we expect them to desist from those actions."

But Obama said that "changes in behavior" by Iran should be met with gestures by the United States, beginning with possible membership in the World Trade Organization.

"We are willing to talk about certain assurances in the context of them showing some good faith," he said. "I think it is important for us to send a signal that we are not hell bent on regime change, just for the sake of regime change, but expect changes in behavior. And there are both carrots and there are sticks available to them for those changes in behavior

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; obama
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1 posted on 11/01/2007 8:10:25 PM PDT by phatus maximus
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To: phatus maximus

this guy is not black....he’s greener than grass.....


2 posted on 11/01/2007 8:11:28 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: phatus maximus

.. he vowed to engage in “aggressive personal diplomacy” with Iran and other regional powers as he withdrew American combat forces in Iraq.

This guy should have been a Hollyweed writer, he’s hilarious and doesn’t even realize it..


3 posted on 11/01/2007 8:12:35 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: phatus maximus

“But Obama said that “changes in behavior” by Iran should be met with gestures by the United States, beginning with possible membership in the World Trade Organization.”

Not that is such an honor or priviledge, but to offer trades for good behavior when none has existed seems to be a bit backwards...it’s like telling your son who’s selling crack to the neighbor kids that he can have a huge allowance if he stops selling crack when you know he won’t stop and you still give him the allowance...

I don’t get the mindset of some people...sigh...


4 posted on 11/01/2007 8:13:33 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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Obama would engage Iran if elected, he says

Isn't he married? Oh, well. That means nothing in RAT land...

5 posted on 11/01/2007 8:13:38 PM PDT by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Haven't heard a single Ayatollah say that he wished to engage in direct diplomacy with a kaffir ~ or is Osamabama really a Moslem and that term doesn't apply.

We shall see. The silence from Iran is deafening though.

6 posted on 11/01/2007 8:14:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Obama would meet with Iran's leaders and offer economic inducements and a possible promise not to seek "regime change"



7 posted on 11/01/2007 8:16:32 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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To: phatus maximus

Does this guy think he’s in a Coca Cola ad or something?

“I’d like to teach the world to sing . . . “


8 posted on 11/01/2007 8:17:29 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: God luvs America
this guy is not black....he’s greener than grass

And dumber than a rock.

Diplomacy worked so well with N.Korea. The Clinton/Carter accords were such a success!

9 posted on 11/01/2007 8:18:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: phatus maximus
"aggressive personal diplomacy"

He'll take OJ's crew to Tehran as backup.
10 posted on 11/01/2007 8:18:24 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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Between his “aggressive personal diplomacy” and the “strongly worded letters” from the UN, Dinnerjacket must be wetting himself. Not from fear, but from laughing so hard at these idiots.


11 posted on 11/01/2007 8:19:54 PM PDT by WildcatClan (DUNCAN HUNTER- The only choice for true conservatives)
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To: phatus maximus
"Obama would engage Iran if elected, he says"

Should read:
"Obama would APPEASE Iran if elected."

- John

12 posted on 11/01/2007 8:22:20 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: God luvs America
this guy is not black....he’s greener than grass.....

I see your point, but personally I believe he is YELLOW!

13 posted on 11/01/2007 8:28:11 PM PDT by USMA '71
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To: phatus maximus
These lib idiots actually believe themselves. Our enemies are drooling.

14 posted on 11/01/2007 8:32:26 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Cyrus the Great; Persia; nuconvert; DoctorZIn; Prince of Persia; FARS; SolidWood; knighthawk; ...


On or off Iran ping list.
15 posted on 11/01/2007 8:37:57 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: Fishrrman
"Obama would engage Iran if elected, he says"

To quote an old Duck's Breath Theater parody of Star Trek

"It's all right Captain. We're engaged."

"Well, disengage, and get back to your stations!"

16 posted on 11/01/2007 8:38:30 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Believe me or not, his intelligence was perfectly clear...But his soul was mad.")
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To: freedom44

“Obama would engage Iran if elected, he says”

would he buy the ring?

;~ P


17 posted on 11/01/2007 8:40:05 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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I’m sure the leadership in Iran will accommodate President Obama as long as Iran is allowed to control Syria, Lebanon and Iraq, to develop nuclear weapons, and to destroy Israel.
18 posted on 11/01/2007 8:52:07 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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This all makes perfect sense to me..A regime that has promised to destroy us (and Israel) we can have a diplomatic chat with.

Someone who tries to break in my house and hurt my family??

Will not..should not happen.

19 posted on 11/01/2007 8:54:08 PM PDT by berdie
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Is Obamas’ Islamic background as a child a problem for our Islamic relations in or out of the country if he is Pres or VP? This site will add a dimension to Obamas’ background...http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm
This is a blog. A headline for the blog which claims Muslims consider him still Muslim...’Barack Hussein Obama, an African-American who has not shared the black American experience, was a Muslim for 27 years (according to Islam, he still is) and is a master at shaping his own mythology.’
He is a national security risk in high office. The Dems do not recognize the risk.

Here is a comment with an excerpt from the site above that relates to Obama as a possible Pres. in view of his Islamic past as a child, young man and his desire to be US President before converting to Christianity. There is a problem with Obama being an apostate Muslim as viewed by Muslims and being Pres. of the US. If Pres. of the US, overtures will be made for him to convert back to Islam or grant special consideration to Islam in its stead in view of his childhood status. The Muslim Brotherhoods’ CAIR will be right up front. Very dangerous for US. According to Islam ‘once a Muslim, always a Muslim’ with death if reconversion is not accomplished if they get their hands on the converted person. In Islam, escape is not possible..an escapee is an apostate, and his condition is punishable by death according to and practiced by the implementers of Sharia law. Obama, a US citizen born in Hawaii, a current professed and currently practicing Christian, is an apostate under Islamic Sharia law, and if President, understandably might be under pressure from Islam for undue considerations...this is a complete irresponsibility of the Dim party who legitimized an Islamic Congressmen who absurdly swore loyalty to the US on Thos. Jeffersons’Koran (Ellison). Will Muslims consider him apostate? Potentially only if he get into higher office. No such demand exists presently. Would some Pak Imam issue a fatwa on him if he refused to convert on demand back to Islam? Spare us. A foolish worry? I do not think so. You decide.

From the link above: Barack Obama went by the name Barry Soetoro as a child in Indonesia...here is the excerp beginning with 1968.

1968

The “An American Expat in Southeast Asia” blog reports that Obama’s Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam.

Catholic schools accept non-Catholics worldwide. Non-Catholic students are typically excused from religious instruction and ceremony.

Citizen of Indonesia?

1969

Obama enters Class 2 of the Assisi Primary School.

1970

Obama enters Class 3 of the Assisi Primary School.

1971

Obama’s family moves from H Ramir Street to Dempo Street.

1971

Obama enters the Besuki Primary School, a government school. He was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, Muslim.

Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama’s teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. “He wrote an essay titled, ‘I Want To Become President,’” the teacher said.

Obama’s sister Maya, has also said, “There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president.”
Six or seven and he wants to be president?

Watch out for these guys.

1971

All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.

He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.”
Obama no longer (2007) denies he was a Muslim. He now says he wasn’t a “practicing Muslim”

1971

According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama’s teachers and the principal from 1971 throuh 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.

“I remembered that he had studied “menjaji” (recitation of the Quran)” Tine said.

Comments made in 2007

1972

Classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya ... all of the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims”

“We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny,” said Rony.

Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims”

Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.

Comments made in 2007

1972

Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, “He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ‘sarong’, at that time.”

“He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion.”

Comments made in 2007

1973

Upon Dunham’s divorce from Lolo she sent 10-year-old Barack to live with her parents in Honolulu, while she and his half-sister stayed in Indonesia.

Here is the Link from which the former was exerpted: http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

Obama has stated a empathy for the cause of Hamas in the past two years publicly, and, now says he will ‘talk’ with Iran..do I trust such a proposal at this time? No.Is his Islamic background Sunni or Shiite? It is relevant to those in Islam who would befriend him or attack him politically or otherwise. His middle name is Hussein. We hear Hilary Rodham Clinton all the time...Barack Hussein Obama will not appear until after the election. He is too entwined by history, registered Islamic youthful education and identification to be safely elected as an official of the US. Could he convert, if acclaimed apostate, to ‘save’ his life from death sentence after election to the office of the Pres. or VP? Anyone in the US has the right to choose any religion one wishes. A conversion during a Presidency would be disruptive. A critical issue is avoided by media, govt. and parties....and, Islam is in a world war with the US, Europe, EVERYNATION not under Sharia Law, and quite independently of whether the US is in the Middle East or not. Islam is feeling its oats as in no way since the Gates of Vienna. Is it a good idea to invite undue potential Islamic political overture to the White House at this time? Nothing wrong with him following his dream. It is ill-advised to not ‘vet’ our candidates more closely.

15 posted on 11/01/2007 8:46:28 PM PDT by givemELL


20 posted on 11/01/2007 8:54:16 PM PDT by givemELL
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