[Shryke]

OK, for giggles let's go with ID is THE mechanism for the OOL. We'll also go with your statement that ID is fundamentally unscientific. So, in effect, we have placed limits on the search for knowledge. Our problem is that given the proposition that ID is THE mechanism for the OOL, we have placed the truth off limits to science. You see a problem there?

No, I do not. Because human science will never, ever, be able to grasp, much less measure or predict, God. Do you see a problem?

[jwalsh07]

Yup, guys like you who seek to place arbitrary limits on those seeking knowledge.

[RussP]

“No, I do not. Because human science will never, ever, be able to grasp, much less measure or predict, God. Do you see a problem?”

Science does not necessarily need to “grasp, much less measure or predict, God” to detect evidence of intelligent design. Why some people have such a hard time grasping this concept is beyond me. Does SETI need to identify the source of an message from space to determine that the message came from an intelligent source? Of course not.

Oh, by the way, British Astronomer Fred Hoyle believed strongly in ID even though he also professed to be an atheist. So obviously he didn’t think that ID necessarily implies that God is the Intelligent Designer.