Posted on 11/01/2007 5:07:20 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
In a rare rebuke, the city's bar association condemned a judge who dismissed rape charges in the alleged gang rape of a prostitute and instead called it a theft of services.
The prostitute admitted going to a home on Sept. 20 to have paid sex with a customer but said she was instead gang-raped by four men, including the customer, while he fixed a gun on her.
Municipal Judge Teresa Carr Deni dropped the rape and sexual-assault charges at an Oct. 4 preliminary hearing, but upheld robbery, false imprisonment and conspiracy charges against Dominique Gindraw.
Deni has since heightened the furor in defending her decision to a newspaper.
''She consented and she didn't get paid,'' Deni told the Philadelphia Daily News. ''I thought it was a robbery.''
(Excerpt) Read more at mcall.com ...
"Red herring" how? It happens, it's wrong, and it's deserving of punishment.
Husbands, statistically, are not the ones who abuse and rape women.
Statistically, no. Statistically, pedophiles are rare. Statistically, parents are not the people who rape children. Would you say that those who do shouldn't be punished?
And yes, the issue of marital rape was certainly pushed by feminists (or "women's libbers," as they were known back then). At its core is the belief that women, even married women, are people who own their own bodies, not the property of their husbands.
It's easy to understand why not. Who wants his wife mad at him? (Not me!)
If you want to keep your wife happy, you're a good man. Not all men are. Many want to keep their wives "in line," and keeping them terrified works just as well for that as keeping them happy.
Don't believe me? Just take a look at most of the Muslim world. The only part of the world where your views on marital rape are embraced by law. Women there dare not report a stranger rape, because then they would be stoned to death for "crime against chastity," and cannot report marital rape, because they are considered the property of their husbands. They have no legal right to refuse to be penetrated any more than a horse has a legal right to refuse to be ridden.
So the state never tried to go there, and police historically have avoided intervening in domestic quarrels, because: 1) It's too hard to figure out what actually happened; and 2) people tend to work things out on their own.
Yeah. Couples "work things out" when one party rapes, beats, threatens and intimidates the other to the point they stop resisting.
Every person, married or not, has God-given individual rights that the law exists to protect. You apparently believe that marriage abrogates those rights, and gives one person free rein to assault another. I've seen some lunatic arguments on FR, but that one takes the cake.
He said it before he didn’t say it.
It’s a nuanced position, you see. ;)
And it wasn't stupid to get involved. Domestic disputes can and have lead to murder. But since you have no problem with husbands raping their wives, I guess murder isn't that much worse.
But what happened in the 1960s and 1970s is that the Left invented sob stories and statistics about countless abusive husbands as a pretext for sending in feminist social workers to alienate women from their husbands and children—in addition to passing a boatload of other weird policies.
A broken watch is still right twice a day. It's not a conservative or liberal issue. It's a matter of right and wrong. So how many rapes justify legal protection, then?
By the way, aren't ad-hominem remarks like yours about me and my family against posting rules? I'd watch that, if I were you.
There was no ad hominim. Anyone who advocates rape needs serious help. And since you are arguing that your rights to rape have been taken away, this implies that there is something very disturbing in your psyche. Or do you honestly believe that people who oppose spousal rape are not conservatives? Or are you more upset that others find you morally reprehensible for advocating for spousal rape? Like I said, harboring such justifications favoring spousal abuse and rape shows you are, in some way, very twisted and potentially dangerous. You need help.
I don’t think she should be barred. I happen to agree with her, and I am a woman, not that it really matters.
The prostitute went to a place to sell herself and three extra guys stole her “goods.” That is theft.
Disgusting and vulgar but she chose to be there at the time and she put herself in that position.
Exactly!
So, if a professional boxer agrees to fight one man and 3 other men jump in and beat him to death...
Specious. It’s unheard of for a boxer to fight more thsn one opponent at a time as opposed to a prostitute where it is quite common to “take on” 2,3 or more.
I’ve never heard that it was common for a prostitute to take on 2 or 3 at a time. I guess that I don’t run with your crowd. Either way, my point was very good. If someone agrees to fight or f-— one person, and others jump in, it is more than robbery or theft. Oh well, you can mind monkey yourself all you want. I’m done with you.
Common misconception. The adultress is never mentioned by name, but she is often conflated with Mary Magdelaine.
Your point is valid. The fact that some refuse to see it only speaks to their biases.
Re: Disgusting and vulgar but she chose to be there at the time and she put herself in that position.
She put herself in the position of 1, not 1 + 2
Re: The prostitute went to a place to sell herself and three extra guys stole her “goods.” That is theft.
Prostitutes can be raped.
Yes or No.
once again I ask, are you trying to be difficult here?
She (and they) all planned to and did engage in criminal activitiy, and ALL should be punished accordingly.
Prostitution is illegal.
Forced rape is also illegal. (and yes much more severe crime- i think they should be tossed in jail for a long long time, while she maybe should get a fine or whatever for prostituion)
All I am saying is look at the totality of the situation.
If they had paid her the money she wanted at the end of all this- then what? Then it is a completed buisness transaction.
P.S. I am aguing for the sake of intelectually examining this issue- not because I dont like you or something..., although I don’t understand some of your reactions. Have I ever said I do not feel sorry for the woman?
Re: Prostitution is illegal.
So is driving 70mph in a 65mph zone. Are you going to prosecute everyone doing this?
Re: All I am saying is look at the totality of the situation.
I am doing that.
A woman was horribly raped.
Prosecute those who did it.
Re: I am aguing for the sake of intelectually examining this issue
If you are going to argue that you are looking at this issue intellectually, at least spell it correctly.
Re: the waters are a bit muddy in this case
That is where you and I differ.
For me, the waters are never “muddied” by raped, regardless of the person’s profession or background.
I think Red in Blue PA cannot discuss this issue.
I am sensing too much emotion and too little logic.
I think we both tried...
Again, with all due respect, YOU DO NOT KNOW if this woman is simply telling the dramatic details in a way that makes her look more sympathetic - she very well COULD be alleging she was gang-raped so as to inflict additional harm to this man due to his lack of payment - I am not saying this is the case, but for you to take my comment out of context is very irresponsible.
Forced rape is also illegal. (and yes much more severe crime- i think they should be tossed in jail for a long long time, while she maybe should get a fine or whatever for prostituion)
If she was raped, she wasn't prostituting herself. Therefore, she committed no crime.
This whole thread sickens me. I cannot believe people in today's age actually have no issue with a woman being raped. And it disgusts me even more when I read posts that say the victim wasn't even human. If this thread represents the face of conservatism, then conservatism is doomed to the dust bin of history.
Using your logic, then EVERY rape is questionable in the same way because none of us were there.
Quite bizarre.
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