Bar blasts judge for calling prostitute's rape 'robbery'(FEMALE JUDGE!!!!)

AP ^ | 11/1/2007 | Maryclaire Dale

[Red in Blue PA]

In a rare rebuke, the city's bar association condemned a judge who dismissed rape charges in the alleged gang rape of a prostitute and instead called it a theft of services.

The prostitute admitted going to a home on Sept. 20 to have paid sex with a customer but said she was instead gang-raped by four men, including the customer, while he fixed a gun on her.

Municipal Judge Teresa Carr Deni dropped the rape and sexual-assault charges at an Oct. 4 preliminary hearing, but upheld robbery, false imprisonment and conspiracy charges against Dominique Gindraw.

Deni has since heightened the furor in defending her decision to a newspaper.

''She consented and she didn't get paid,'' Deni told the Philadelphia Daily News. ''I thought it was a robbery.''

[Red in Blue PA]

These people give FR a bad name.

[colorcountry]

I don’t support any of those things. Never even heard of Hudood....you are free to question my intelligence if it makes you “feel” better.

[montag813]

No, I am not sure of your point. Many Church going people inflict much greater harm than a street walking prostitute.

Huh?

[BlueMondaySkipper]

Send her to jail for being GANG RAPED. How nice of you.

Actuaally it would be sending her to jail for prostitution.

[Red in Blue PA]

You may not support the Hudood Ordinance, but your thinking lies not very far from that type of thinking.

You would fit in very well in Saudi Arabia.

[Red in Blue PA]

You cannot have sex while you are being GANG RAPED. One act obviates the other.

[trisham]

The reason for my question is, basically, that cases like this illuminate the type of moral confusion that results from reducing the act of sex to, in the case of prostitution, a service, or in the larger case of our sexually “liberated” society, no big deal. Sex, whether consensual or not, is either a big deal or it’s not. Those who have decided that prostitution is a fine career that should be legalized, and who have decided that meaningless sex is possible, cannot at the same time consider rape to be all that bad. Probably outside the context of this discussion, but that’s where I was headed.

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Excellent observations. I am firmly against legalizing prostitution, because it devalues both men and women. It also devalues children, as it denies the natural, possible outcome of the act.

[Enterprise]

"Again, I believe the distinction in busineess practcie is the key element of the argument."

Ok, since you are defining prostitution as a business, I'll take it further.

There is a thug who uses a gun to rob people. One day he is walking down the street and someone points a gun at him and robs him. So, since he is a robber, he can't be the victim of a robbery.

Another guy is a counterfeiter. One day he sells something he owns, and someone gives him counterfeit money. But because he is a counterfeiter, he cannot be a victim of counterfeiting.

A guy steals cars and sells them cheap. One day his own car is stolen. But he can't be a victim of car theft because he steals cars.

[Red in Blue PA]

Re: . Those who have decided that prostitution is a fine career that should be legalized, and who have decided that meaningless sex is possible, cannot at the same time consider rape to be all that bad

Huh?

Rape is an extreme act of violence, not of sex.

There is heck of alot of ignorance on this thread.

[colorcountry]

Another personal attack? How sweet...

[Mrs. Don-o]

"She made herself a commodity to be bought and sold."

Not in the law she didn't. By way of analogy, she couldn't even make herself a commodity for purposes of chattel slavery. The law does not recognize the human entity as chattel. (Except, unfortunately, in the case of embryonic children, who can be bought, sold, donated, or destroyed at will.)

More importantly, the law doesn't look at her personal spiritual purity or psychosocial wholesomeness. It looks at consent. It holds that sexual intercourse without specific and explicit consent in each instance is rape.

Equal justice under law. It's an American thing.

[BMiles2112]

Thank you. You hit precisely on my other point. If this had occured in Vegas (or some other place where it's legal), this case could very likely, and very logically, end up as a case of theft. That would be be a tragedy we should like to avoid.
By the way, I agree with your comments 100%.

[colorcountry]

I agree with you as far as legal definition goes. She can not “legally” make herself a commodity.

[Red in Blue PA]

Well said.

[Enterprise]

"Those who have decided that prostitution is a fine career that should be legalized, and who have decided that meaningless sex is possible, cannot at the same time consider rape to be all that bad."

That would be a very jaded view, worthy of the Taliban. I could not associate with people who would excuse a group of thugs who rape a woman because she is a prostitute, or would rape a woman who is known to be "easy." It is a dreadful leap to sanction violent crimes against a class of individuals because one disagrees with the actions of the class that is assaulted.

[Red in Blue PA]

I am not attacking you at all. I am merely stating an objective fact. You and your opinions would fit in very well in Saudi Arabia.

[trisham]

Thanks.

[BMiles2112]

Thank you. You hit precisely on my other point. If this had occured in Vegas (or some other place where it's legal), this case could very likely, and very logically, end up as a case of theft. That would be be a tragedy we should like to avoid.
By the way, I agree with your comments 100%.

[Constantine XIII]

There are tons of businesses that have large “We may refuse service to anyone for any reason” signs.

[pandoraou812]

ping