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Cure for killer bug - but there's a catch (Not for weak stomachs)
Scotsman ^ | Sun 14 Oct 2007 | KATE FOSTER

Posted on 10/30/2007 9:11:11 PM PDT by april15Bendovr

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To: ironwill
You are so right - use the friendly bacteria BEFORE it goes through the pipe line.

Yogurt, Probiotics, - my favorite, since I don’t care for yogurt that much - and it’s get’s expensive - is Acidophilus tabs/caps.

In addition, it’s always a good idea when eating out to have vinegar and/or lemon juice with every meal. They can kill bad bacteria in it’s tracts and help avoid food poisoning.

If I forget this and DO get that gripping gut - I grab a juice glass with a tablespoon of cider vinegar (raw is best) in warm water = and no more problems. At least, it works for me.

41 posted on 10/30/2007 10:16:55 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: april15Bendovr

Prepare for Classic FR Thread Status in 3...2...1...


42 posted on 10/30/2007 10:17:03 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: april15Bendovr

Skatole

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IUPAC name 3-methylindole
Other names 4-Methyl-2,3-benzopyrrole
Identifiers
CAS number 83-34-1
SMILES CC2=CNC1=CC=CC=C12
Properties
Molecular formula C9H9N
Molar mass 131.172 g/mol
Appearance white crystalline solid
Melting point 93-95 °C (366-369 K)

Boiling point 265 °C (583 K)

Solubility in water insoluble

Hazards

Except where noted otherwise, data are given for
materials in their standard state
(at 25 °C, 100 kPa)

Skatole or 3-methylindole is a mildly toxic white crystalline organic compound with chemical formula C9H9N and CAS number 83-34-1. The compound belongs to the indole family and has a methyl substituent in position 3 of the indole ring. It occurs naturally in feces (it is produced from tryptophan in the mammalian digestive tract), beets, and coal tar, and has a strong fecal odor. In low concentrations it has a flowery smell and is found in several flowers and essential oils, including those of orange blossoms, jasmine, and Ziziphus mauritiana. It is used as a fragrance and fixative in many perfumes and as an aroma compound. Its name is derived from skato, the Greek word for “dung”.


43 posted on 10/30/2007 10:26:37 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Constantine XIII

I’m getting a kick out of the keywords right now :)


44 posted on 10/30/2007 10:27:04 PM PDT by Santa Fe_Conservative
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To: maine-iac7

The available probiotics have only a limited variety of the gut flora found naturally in mammalian digestive tracts.


45 posted on 10/30/2007 10:27:41 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: april15Bendovr

This coining a new catch phrase — “eat sh—t and don’t die.”


46 posted on 10/30/2007 10:31:21 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: april15Bendovr

So....”Eat shit and live!”


47 posted on 10/30/2007 10:32:01 PM PDT by sourcery (Referring a "social conservative" to the Ninth Amendment is like showing the Cross to Dracula.)
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To: april15Bendovr
He stated that just like Larva therapy for wound healing this type of treatment has a 90% success ratio.

AKA maggots. With the right controls, they do seem to be good at debriding dead tissue and heading off gangrene before it starts. I've also seen several stories about re-examining the potential uses of leeches to drain dangerous swelling.

I sure as hell-fire wouldn't want to go back to ancient medicine, but it's worth a little research to see if they might have caught on to something. They didn't have much method and no record-keeping, but they did have thousands of hours of trial and error behind their methods.

48 posted on 10/30/2007 10:38:47 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Triggerhippie

It’s the shits, ain’t it?


49 posted on 10/30/2007 10:43:52 PM PDT by pankot
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To: april15Bendovr
This is from WiKi, but take a look at the irony:

Clostridium difficile is resistant to most antibiotics. It flourishes under these conditions. It is transmitted from person to person by the fecal-oral route. Because the organism forms heat-resistant spores, it can remain in the hospital or nursing home environment for long periods of time. It can be cultured from almost any surface in the hospital. Once spores are ingested, they pass through the stomach unscathed because of their acid-resistance. They change to their active form in the colon and multiply.

50 posted on 10/30/2007 10:56:28 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: april15Bendovr

I am, and I will continue to eat.


51 posted on 10/30/2007 11:06:46 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering * Go Hoos! * Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: april15Bendovr

I’m going to have to guess what a faeces is.....


52 posted on 10/30/2007 11:09:09 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: april15Bendovr

50,000,000 flies can’t be wrong.....


53 posted on 10/30/2007 11:09:53 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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Plantars warts...my grannie who once served us oppossum... Take a potatoe and rub it on your wart. Say, wart wart go away wart. Then, by the light of the moon, plant it near a water source. DO NOT TELL ANYONE OF YOUR PLANTING. If it grows, the wart will disappear. If it dies, you are doomed to have warts your life through. I had 60 warts on the bottom of my foot when I was twelve. The potatoe grew. The warts were gone. Go figure. True story. Grannie was a bit of a nutwad. But she was a GOOD nutwad when she wasn't cooking oppossum or casting weirdo spells or sic'ing the stupid geese on us or hitting us with her canes the old bat.....
54 posted on 10/30/2007 11:16:48 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult)
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To: april15Bendovr

I think a haggis poultice should do the trick.


55 posted on 10/30/2007 11:18:26 PM PDT by spokeshave (Hey GOP...NO money till border closed and criminal illegals deported)
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To: april15Bendovr

I seriously question the ethics of the doctor who performed the research on this.


56 posted on 10/30/2007 11:35:45 PM PDT by 60Gunner (I'm an ER nurse. You want the family package? Go to Disneyland.)
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Oh, and the moral of this story, kids, is:

Just wash your freaking HANDS.

57 posted on 10/30/2007 11:41:05 PM PDT by 60Gunner (I'm an ER nurse. You want the family package? Go to Disneyland.)
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To: april15Bendovr

This is not surprising. If one of our rabbits has disgestive problems or is on antibiotics, we can help rebuild gut bacteria by them eating some cecal pellets of another healthy rabbit.

Also, I do know from stories I have read that the nomads who traveled in caravans with camels would eat camel dung every so often to keep their gut bacteria working well and be able to handle any local germs.

One thing that they don’t mention that could help these people is while they are giving them the antibiotics, to also give them probiotics to replenish the good bacteria that’s killed off. They used to do this in the 1940s when penicillin first was introduced but somewhere along the line docs stopped giving this. It’s the reason so many people have digestive, immune and allergy problems today if they’ve ever been on prescription antibiotics. They have never replensihed their gut with good bacteria and gotten them back to normal levels.

I take probiotics every day not being on antibiotics. the more good bacteria in you the better your gut works and the good bacteria help control and reduce the bad bacteria in your gut.


58 posted on 10/30/2007 11:41:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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Actually, I’m sort of surprised that the microbes aren’t killed in the stomach by the gastric acids. Unless they actually deposit it past the stomach, and into the small intestine. It seems to me that a better method would be in an enema. But then again, I’m not a doctor nor a biologist... I suppose an enema would only work in the rectum... If it needed to go higher into the large intestine, it would take something like a lower endoscopy as the procedure. And I supposed that if it needed to be delivered into the small intestine, it would have to go in the way it’s mentioned.


59 posted on 10/30/2007 11:41:34 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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They don’t all get wiped out going through the stomach. You have to consider that the gi tract is not working 100% in the person to begin with.

The bacteria need to get into the small intestine mainly, because this is where 90% of digestion/breakdown of your food) occurs by the bacteria. They need bacteria in the large intestine too. The probiotic supplements you take with a meal (capsules) make it into your small intestine before the capsule dissolves.


60 posted on 10/30/2007 11:48:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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