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U.S. warship sinks two pirate skiffs
CNN ^ | October 29, 2007 | Unknown

Posted on 10/29/2007 1:57:33 PM PDT by decimon

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To: death2tyrants

Yes and possibly a watery quagmire...


81 posted on 10/29/2007 5:38:28 PM PDT by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: WLR; Paleo Conservative; decimon; PGalt
The AB burns up that kind of coin in a few min..Those skiffs cost millions to sink.. that is one way to lose a war. Go broke fighting it. Every time you see the US GQ Generals sending F16s with $100,000 JDAMS out to kill three Taliban or AQ you are watching the enemy win a fight. The WOT will break US unless someone learns that we are not made of money and if we spend ourselves into the poorhouse AQ and Taliban will win by default.
I'm not going to insult you by calling you stupid but I will state that IMHO is that while you may not be ignorant, your response leads me to believe that yours to be one of the greater uneducated naivete postages I've ever seen on this board.

Let's step back to 1860 and examine what we discovered since then. The world was shocked at what we did to ourselves (and in some sense I believe some areas of this country hasn't ever recoverd) over the course of 4 years. Case in point: Vicksburg didn't celebrate fourth of July until the year after VJ day.

After all the lessons learned during that interminable struggle of the mid 1860's, lets fast foward 50+ years. What were the results of when the mighty Army of the Potoamac entered into the fray (one that had been going on for about 4 years at the cost of how many 100,000 thousands?) WE GOT OFF LIGHT no matter how you look at it.

Now lets fast foward another 30 years. What were the results of the Grand Army of the Potomac's first incursion onto the Afrikan continent to address Rommel? And then how did the grand scheme to flank the enemy at Anzio work out

Do you have any clue that McArthur modeled his operation against Inchon according to the Anzio operation plan? There was one major difference between Anzio and Inchon though: McArthur insisted that all the planning officers would partake in the initial wave.

I'm almost certain that without Korea and Vietnam driving the "military/industrial complex", we'd have gotten to the moon before the commies. Conventional wisdeom holds that that objective was a bunch of nonsense and was a waste of time and resources (kind of like today).

Nevertheless, and that notwithstanding, the point I'm trying to belabor is that perhaps we should just forget all that wisdom and knowledge, and just hope that we'll never need it again. Pray tell, what just may prevent that?

It is said that "war" is the failure of diplomacy. And so the present day "State Departments" the world over would negiotiate until the stars die out (regardless that there being no hope whatsoever of any resolution).

Let me ask one qwexion:

  1. how does one negotiate with someby that is irrational.
  2. can the person that you're negotiating with, who has sworn to destroy you at all costs, be considered rational?
After the fall of the USSR in the 1980's and the era of peristroika ensued, and an interview with the son of Kruschev, and examination of previously secret documents compiled by the KGB, et ali, showed just how dangerous a time that week or two in October truly was. Che_Guevara was actually in charge of a small number of nuclear missles. When I say "in charge", it should be understood that he had launch authority for a handfull of Soviet nuclear missles.

The objective of such a launch was to take out the U.S. Navy fleet in the vicinity of Cuba. Such action could not be without reprisal, and the result of such reprisal would undoubtedly be a large smoking crater in the ground where Cuba once had lain on the world's map.

Kruschev's son said that his father was in quite a pickle. Should a nuclear attack against the U.S.A. occur, then quite frankly Kruschev had two choices in response: suicide or attack the West. The former would've occurred almost immediately through "death by KGB, et ali" due to perceived incompetance (and then all out war would've been launched against the West anyways), or Kruschev could've launched either all out nuclear war against the U.S.A., and then a major assault against Western Europe (or vice versa).

The thing is that in an interview shortly before his death, Guevara was asked about his motivation to launch such nuclear attack against the U.S.A. His response was: "even so such attack would've undoubtedly be the destruction of Cuba, the utter annhilation of the United States of America would be he result."

So the question remains: are we better off now (after 1/2 century post-WWII) or not? And could we benefit from just laying down our arms, and furloughing our soldiers? After all, if we're negotiating with individuals akin to those that I mentioned in '62, it all sounds like a win=win doesn't it? Live and let live, right? What if the person that you've been talking to for the last 50 years has the attitude of ("I live or you die?" or "I die and and you die") is true?

How much of he that "me" thing that is stated concerns "me" not dying? Very little IMHO.

Very little of what you said makes any real sense to me, either in RealPolitik terms, or State Department terms. But then, you can find vindication in that very little of what I've said makes sense to you.

There's a major difference between the action of this:

and this:

Make certain that you get your Arleigh Burke anti-pirate (on the High Seas) operations straight against JDAM strikes.

82 posted on 10/29/2007 5:43:51 PM PDT by raygun (Get away from my station at the public trough if you know what's good for you.;.)
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To: rmlew

Good points on the FFGs but I think most if not all of the Mk 13s have already been removed.


83 posted on 10/29/2007 9:33:38 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: decimon
At the request of Somalia's government

Somalia has a government?

84 posted on 10/29/2007 9:35:20 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: CitizenUSA
Many are aghast at American right and might. They would rather the world they live in were filled with unconfronted evils and American weakness and apathy.
85 posted on 10/29/2007 9:43:03 PM PDT by Hornitos
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To: krb
Yes, it's like a Ron Paul paradise: No taxes, no Department of Education, in fact no education at all, no DEA, no ATF, and no speeding tickets or driver's licenses ever issued. I hear that the lines to emigrate to this paradise run for blocks through Ann Arbor and Berkeley.
86 posted on 10/29/2007 9:56:09 PM PDT by Hornitos
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To: Hornitos
Yes, it's like a Ron Paul paradise:

How do they accomplish the rule of law? How to they enforce contracts?

87 posted on 10/29/2007 9:59:42 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: river rat
Good catch, r-r. I read it that way, too. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Can't let the vessel near land ........................... FRegards

88 posted on 10/29/2007 10:10:25 PM PDT by gonzo (Damn! If I had known I'd live this long, I'da taken better care of myself ...)
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To: krb
Ah, that is simple. In the Ron Paul paradise of Somalia, no one runs to the outside courts to whine like sissies. They bring along their Uncle AK47 to help negotiate a settlement directly between the parties involved.
89 posted on 10/29/2007 10:15:14 PM PDT by Hornitos
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To: CitizenUSA

To stand by and doing nothing while evil is perpetrated on peaceful civilians, especially when we have the power to intervene with little or no risk to ourselves, is wrong. Go US Navy!
PING

Plus, the sailors get to have some fun.


90 posted on 10/29/2007 10:18:14 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: raygun

“Do you disagree or agree to the assertion that we can bankrupt ourselves and lose this war by spending Billions while our enemy spends but a few millions in the same time frame? In effect handing the enemy a victory because we cannot economically sustain the fight.”

W


91 posted on 10/30/2007 7:29:10 AM PDT by WLR (Armed Staff on School Campus. Build the Fence, Iran delenda est)
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To: SolidWood

C’mon can’t they have any fun? Target practice makes perfect.


92 posted on 10/30/2007 7:35:38 AM PDT by listenhillary (millions crippled by the war on poverty....but we won't pull out)
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