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To: ComeUpHigher
And in 2005, Provo, Utah was ranked the most conservative city in the U.S. http://www.govpro.com/News/Article/31439/ But, as I have repeatedly seen from your posts, facts won’t get in the way of your repeated efforts to smear Mormons and any institution affiliated with them.

Hey, I knew beloved Mormons in Utah who committed suicide, and Utah is among the state leaders in suicide rate on a fairly regular basis (so all is not A-OK in Mormonville as you claim). And this suicide rate is just one indicator that all is not right spiritually underneath the surface no matter how much you deny that.

I know the pressures are great to always be conforming to living up to certain images, to being among the 20% of LDS who receive temple recommends (& thereby be deemed "worthy"), and to attain exaltation. When you have a BoM standard of being "saved by grace AFTER all you can do," folks then try to accomplish "all" they can do so that God will finally take the load off their spiritual feet.

As Paul said, we are offer to be TRANSFORMED, not just to buckle under daily CONformation, and in order to do that, we need to be born again. Even the Book of Mormon says we are to be born again (see Mosiah 5:7; 27:24-28; Alma 7:14).

The problem is people can never do enough spiritually, relationally, and ethically. We always fall short. This perpetuates the notion that "I've got to get well first, so I can go see the doctor." No! Jesus specifically said, "those who are well have no need of a doctor" but I need a spiritual doc and I know everyone else needs one, too. We all need unearned grace; mercy; God's favor. And we need Him--not just to be "driven" to do more--but just to "be" the way we can just "be" in our most intimate moments with our spouse. He craves for us to relate to Him without feeling guilty--to BE reconciled.

341 posted on 10/30/2007 6:57:15 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

SELAH!


360 posted on 10/30/2007 9:26:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: Colofornian
You anti-Mormons are so predictable. After your smear of BYU students is exposed as completely contrary to the facts, instead of owning up to your smear, you try to change the subject.

I’m sure you’ve rationalized your deceit because you’re just “lying for the Lord,” right?

361 posted on 10/30/2007 9:29:32 AM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: Colofornian; MHGinTN

Just day before yesterday, a young LDS mother commits suicide and takes her three children with her.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695223169,00.html


364 posted on 10/30/2007 9:53:04 AM PDT by colorcountry (The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it - Brigham Young)
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To: Colofornian

ONLY 20%??

HMMmm...

I got the feeling that MOST LDS organization members had this lofty and worthy piece of paper.


377 posted on 10/30/2007 11:11:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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