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To: lizol

That was also action of Stalin (I’m not sure of Beria’s too).

Then why Vladimir Putin’s government of today’s Russia has any problems with recognizing that genocide?==

“Genoside” is the pointed extermination of only one ethnicity, by the definition.
But in Golodomor there were not the pointed extermination of the one ethnicity (ukranians) since Ukranians in towns were not holodomored. SO it wasn’t no genoside.

There are one tendention in the modern history. It is to call any atrocities ever happened if larger as the genoside or if smaller as terrorism. It comes from the success of Jews to get worldwide especially american subcidies with billions of dollars because of Holocost. So many new politicians want to repeat that profitable endevor.

SO Holocost was the one true genocide where germans pointed one ethnicity(jews) despite of in towns and in country for extermination.
But Golodomor was the atrocity against peasants as the social group no matter Ukranians or Russians. Stalin and commies wanted to rob peasants just to get exportable goods (wheat) to sell it in return to get the means for case of the socialist indusrialization of Soviet Union. The Golodomor happened not only in Ukraine but in Russia and other regions of Soviet Union. Sametime there were the huge building of the industrial enterprises and infrustructure. That industrialization later helpped a great to withstand teh german invasion in 1941-45.

So Golodomor was against social group not no ethnicity. SO it wasn’t no genoside. I think we need to tell thruth everywhere and not succumb to any propaganda even anti-commie propaganda. Satlina dnd his cronies has many crimes on thier hands for that they should be comdemned.
So they no need to be bad mouthed by the propaganda. It gets aurguments to the commies to point into that fact.


20 posted on 10/31/2007 2:55:47 AM PDT by RusIvan (ABM can be used to fend off the weakered by first strike reciprocal answer.)
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To: RusIvan
We’ve discussed it before.

According to the Article 2 of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) genocide is defined as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”

So - if the Soviets wanted to destroy a part of “national, ethnical, racial or religious group” which means the social elites of particular nations - to turn the rest into “new, Soviet people” - that was also an act of genocide (against Ukrainian, or Russian, or Polish people).

But what really astonishes me is the fact, that Russia has any problem with accepting such a point of view?

And that other nations are afraid of doing so - being aware, that this would spoil their relations with Russia.

21 posted on 10/31/2007 3:14:03 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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