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[Ron] PAUL’S AD PUSH
msnbc ^ | Oct 27 07 | Domenico Montanaro

Posted on 10/27/2007 9:01:09 PM PDT by freedomdefender

On the heels of a St. Anselm College poll showing Ron Paul in fourth place with 7 percent in New Hampshire, the candidate is starting to spend some of those millions he’s raised with radio ads and an upcoming TV ad. But Paul is also stepping up efforts in direct mail. The campaign put together a 12-page biographical pamphlet being mailed out in New Hampshire.

The New Hampshire Presidential Watch blog reports, “The mailing comes at the same time that Ron Paul will spend $1 million on five New Hampshire television commercials.”

Paul has also spent $430,000 on a new radio ad, which will run in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada. The 60-second ad, an appeal to New Hampshire independents, mentions Paul’s name 11 times and focuses on conservative principles of spending, foreign policy and taxes and mentions “flip-flopping” Republicans and Bill Clinton.

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To: mkjessup

Oh. So we pretty much agree. Why are we arguing? A Monday thing, I suppose.


141 posted on 10/29/2007 5:24:16 PM PDT by jmc813 (.) (.)
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To: jmc813
Oh. So we pretty much agree. Why are we arguing? A Monday thing, I suppose.

No, probably more like a Klingon thing, if they're not quite sure of who their enemy is, they'll fight each other and enjoy it. LOL
142 posted on 10/29/2007 5:26:01 PM PDT by mkjessup (Tagline nuked. Freepmail me for details.)
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To: SJackson
You are incorrect. I took BlackElk's post that he wants a federal bill, not an amendment.

FYI you are even more incorrect about Ron Paul not supporting a Pro Life amendment.

See here

I have become increasingly concerned over the years that the pro-life movement I so strongly support is getting further off track, both politically and morally. I sponsored the original pro-life amendment, which used a constitutional approach to solve the crisis of federalization of abortion law by the courts. The pro-life movement was with me and had my full support and admiration.

Foot in mouth?

143 posted on 10/29/2007 5:26:05 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: SJackson
BlackElk pretty much restated the long held Republican position in favor of a constitutional amendment protecting life.

The Republicans sure have acted on it, didn't they? How about taking the approach Bush did, making speeches about life, appointing pro-life judges, and signing the partial-birth abortion ban? Waiting for a Constitutional Amendment means more babies die when at least some of them can be saved by overturning Roe vs Wade, or supporting Paul's HR 1094 which would have taken the federal courts out of it completely.

Ron "take the kid across the state line to Planned Parenthood" Paul doesn't suupport it either.

Nice smear. Paul voted against it because knew the bill would have been shot down by some lefty judge anyway. You don't have any idea on how to advance an agenda, do you? I'll take the Paul approach over the hail-mary approach Republicans want to use as bait for the conservative base every presidential and mid-term election.

144 posted on 10/29/2007 5:27:51 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The Republicans sure have acted on it, didn't they? How about taking the approach Bush did, making speeches about life, appointing pro-life judges, and signing the partial-birth abortion ban? Waiting for a Constitutional Amendment means more babies die when at least some of them can be saved by overturning Roe vs Wade, or supporting Paul's HR 1094 which would have taken the federal courts out of it completely.

They have not, one of GWB's many failings.

Nice smear. Paul voted against it because knew the bill would have been shot down by some lefty judge anyway. You don't have any idea on how to advance an agenda, do you? I'll take the Paul approach over the hail-mary approach Republicans want to use as bait for the conservative base every presidential and mid-term election.

So Ron Paul, Patriot, Constitutional expert without equal, who votes only the Constitution, come what may, earmarks excluded, votes against a bill barring transport of minors to purchase an abortion without parental consent across state lines because "some" judge might shoot the bill down.

I visualize President Paul, shaking in his boots (does he wear boots), cowering at the thought of signing a bill that might be overturned.

Were that the case, a despicable, sniveling coward.

Actually, he votes against the bill because he has not problem with transporting minors across state lines for abortions. Presumably nose jobs too. Nothing in the Constitution about that after all.

145 posted on 10/29/2007 5:34:19 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; BlackElk
I'm calling it a night, and I hope you won't get too upset when BlackElk rips another swatch out of your Paulistinian hide.

Just one final question for you:

If, (as you stated in your post #93, which I have saved in case you decide to nuke it), you really believe that Ron Paul is a 'kook', why on Earth are you supporting him?

Eric Rudolph was and is against abortion, and he qualifies as a kook since his forte' was blowing up abortion clinics, you wouldn't support that kook, you're smarter than that.

So why support Ron Paul if you believe HE is a 'kook'?

Have a nice evening. Give it some thought. See you tomorrow.
146 posted on 10/29/2007 5:34:39 PM PDT by mkjessup (Tagline nuked. Freepmail me for details.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You know, you’d really do better just to attemp to defend Paul’s postitions, which are occasionally libertarian, on the war code pink left, and his associations with racists, white supremecists, and truthers. It wouldn’t be popular, why would you expect that on FR, it would be elsewhere, but it might feel better than every day, spin, spin, spin.


147 posted on 10/29/2007 5:36:32 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: rb22982
Foot in mouth?

Not in the least, the full quote

I have become increasingly concerned over the years that the pro-life movement I so strongly support is getting further off track, both politically and morally. I sponsored the original pro-life amendment, which used a constitutional approach to solve the crisis of federalization of abortion law by the courts. The pro-life movement was with me and had my full support and admiration.

I may or may not waste my time looking up his proposed amendment, but my recollection is that it returned the issue to the states, it did not define life as beginning at conception, the platform position. That's further supported by your link when Paul says.

Given these dilemmas, what should those of us in the pro-life community do? First, we must return to constitutional principles and proclaim them proudly. We must take a principled approach that recognizes both moral and political principles, and accepts the close relationship between them. Legislatively, we should focus our efforts on building support to overturn Roe v. Wade. Ideally this would be done in a fashion that allows states to again ban or regulate abortion. State legislatures have always had proper jurisdiction over issues like abortion and cloning; the pro-life movement should recognize that jurisdiction and not encroach upon it. The alternative is an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment that does no violence to our way of government.

Clearly he prefers the authority rest with the state, something I'm not opposed to, but which I recognize is not a strong pro-life position.

And thanks for clarifying the state line issue.

Pro-life forces have worked for the passage of bills that disregard the federal system, such as the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, the federal cloning ban, and the Child Custody Protection Act. Each of these bills rested on specious constitutional grounds and undermined the federalism our Founders recognized and intended as the greatest protection of our most precious rights.

Banning the transport of a minor without parential permission across state lines to sell her an abortion is unconstitutional?

The Founders would have agreed.

As a Paul supporter, doesn't that embarass you?

Be honest, advocate the action.

148 posted on 10/29/2007 5:45:35 PM PDT by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: BlackElk
Thank you for the pings.
A few photo opts or a sudden change of heart (after announcing a run for office) or being “personally against abortion” isn't enough for me to pronounce someone pro life. They must have a solid record.
I wonder, what is Paul's rating with the pro life groups? Would be interesting to see!
149 posted on 10/29/2007 5:55:09 PM PDT by MaggieM
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To: All

New Hampsire is becomming more and more primary irrelevant every day.


150 posted on 10/29/2007 6:05:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SJackson
You know, you’d really do better just to attemp to defend Paul’s postitions, which are occasionally libertarian, on the war code pink left, and his associations with racists, white supremecists, and truthers.

Sure, sure. If you can find concrete evidence instead of trying to link Paul with Kevin Bacon, let me know.

151 posted on 10/30/2007 5:34:51 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SJackson
They have not, one of GWB's many failings.

Bush has done an excellent job on pro-life issues. Note to the pro-life purists: Try getting the first downs firsts instead of going for touchdowns all the time.

votes against a bill barring transport of minors to purchase an abortion without parental consent across state lines because "some" judge might shoot the bill down.

Great way to help the pro-life cause, eh? Let's pass a bill that NARAL would've immediately sued and been tied up on courts. Meanwhile, more minors will continue to get abortions. But we rustled conservatives out of the bed to vote for us!

152 posted on 10/30/2007 5:39:53 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SJackson

No it doesn’t. The current Republicans in office work on it embarrasses me.


153 posted on 10/30/2007 11:25:21 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: Grunthor
If I lived in Spain, I would have far preferred being ruled by Francisco Franco to being ruled by the democratically elected "Republican" communists and anarchists who raped and murdered colossal numbers of nuns, killed more than half of Spain's priests and burned more than half of Spain's Catholic Churches until Franco took his army from the Canary Islands and joined with an allied Spanish army in Spanish Morocco, hit the southern coast of Spain and spent a few years annihilating the "Republican" communists and anarchists. That Franco was not elected does not bother me at all. That the Spanish "Republicans" were elected did not authorize them to rape, murder, loot and pillage my Church.

The First Commandment enjoins me not to have strange gods before the One True God. In that category, I would include the constitution and its authors to the extent that they may be deemed responsible for Roe vs. Wade and its 50+ million innocent infant victims to date.

Our constitution itself was the product of a revolutionary generation of statesmen known now as the Founding Fathers. The elected British government would have hanged the lot of them starting with Washington, Hamilton, Henry, Jefferson, Madison, Adams, et al., IF the American Revolution had been defeated. The FF were generally right and not morally deserving of execution or any other punishment. Fortunately, they won. My Church is a LOT older than our republic and, based on the promises of its Founder, will be here to the end, a guarantee not shared by the republic. Likewise 50+ million absolutely innocent babies have been wantonly slaughtered under a now quite perverted "rule of law" and that fact is rather permanent too as the death toll increases by the day. Dictatorship and no abortion or "democratic republic" with continued millions being slaughtered annually??? No brainer!

Ironically, you would not be asking the question but for the fact that SCOTUS ran amok on the abortion question (running roughshod over democracy and republicanism in its infernal rush to cause millions of babies to be killed en masse) on January 22, 1973 and ever since. Dictatorship of SCOTUS and dead babies by the millions (among several other subjects) or enforcing morality through government measures whether SCOTUS likes it or not??? Another no brainer. It is more than time to crush the self-created and self-serving powers of SCOTUS to restore our democracy and our republic ASAP.

154 posted on 10/30/2007 2:19:52 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: rb22982

Actually, I am a conservative. If you want nuts, try paleoPaulie’s webpage and campaign.


155 posted on 10/30/2007 2:22:25 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: rb22982

Also, considering that you are the source, that is a compliment.


156 posted on 10/30/2007 2:23:22 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: SJackson; Grunthor; fieldmarshaldj; mkjessup; Allegra
Nor was there anything about dictatorship in my post to which reference was made by Grunthor. I think Grunthor is trying to be fair, wants me to be what he considers "fair" to Dr. Demento. I think I am quite fair to Dr. Demento but I disagree with Grunthor on that. I also suspect that Grunthor is not a fan of paleoPaulie but Grunthor can speak for himself on that more authoritatively than I can speak for him.

You hit the nail on the head in observing that paleoPaulie would have no problem with the Planned Barrenhood Express taking young girls across statelines to states where aortionwould be, ummmm, "federalistically" allowed. After all, what's another 50 million to infinity sliced, diced and hamburgerized babies compared to disagreeing with paleoPaulie's eccentric "libertarian" "constitutional" imaginings????

Soon enough, paleosurrenderman will be an obscure historical footnote soon forgotten as the irrelevancy that he is and always has been.

157 posted on 10/30/2007 2:48:27 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; SJackson; fieldmarshaldj; mkjessup; Allegra

“I think Grunthor is trying to be fair, wants me to be what he considers “fair” to Dr. Demento.”

Yes.

“I think I am quite fair to Dr. Demento but I disagree with Grunthor on that.”

Yes

“I also suspect that Grunthor is not a fan of paleoPaulie but Grunthor can speak for himself on that more authoritatively than I can speak for him.”

No. Not a fan.


158 posted on 10/30/2007 2:51:43 PM PDT by Grunthor (Giuliani, whatever assurance he may give on specific pledges is pro-choice.)
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To: rb22982; SJackson
rb22982: I want SCOTUS to take institutional responsibility for the American Holocaust it created and to establish as overriding federal law that personhood, for 14th Amendment purposes, begins at conception. Abortion has been crammed down America's collective throat for thirty-five years. Time to return the favor. If Congress wants to pass legislation utterly consistent, that is nice but too easily reversible. We will get that when Sandra Day O'Kennedy and John Paul Stevens and Swish Souter and Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg are replaced by actually civilized human beings. As the FF intended, amending the constitution is a very near insurmountable task. On the subject of abortion, is not going to happen unless we are about to get something better.

If (not that this could happen in a zillion millenia) paleoPaulie somehow got his skeevie treasonous little paws on the office of POTUS, he would probably be too busy applying to potential SCOTUS justices litmus tests on the "constitutionality" of publicly owned (therefore "socialist") streets, lighthouses, national parks, Air Force bases, Marine Corps facilities, any weapons systems more modern than the blunderbuss, standing Army and Navy, West Point, Annapolis and other things inconsistent with the idiosyncratic ideology of the very late Lysander Spooner to remember to ask about abortion and even then he will not seek the SCOTUS remedy of personhood.

159 posted on 10/30/2007 3:03:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; SJackson
You can rail all you want about Paul RE: Abortion. The fact of the matter is he has done more against it than 95% of current Republicans in office and more than any of the major Republican candidates for president. The Republicans will never bring a bill to the floor to ban abortion. To criticize just Ron Paul for that is ludicrous unless you are on the same tirade vs every other Republican. Ron Paul has said he would only nominate judges that would overturn Roe Vs Wade.

It doesn't matter anyway, I'm not voting for Ron Paul in the primary. I'm voting for Duncan Hunter. If he is out by then, I'll vote Tancredo. I dislike Ron Paul's current foreign policy especially Iraq now to vote for him as CinC but to criticise him on abortion is ludicrous when he's far better than 95%+ of Republicans in office.

160 posted on 10/30/2007 3:11:19 PM PDT by rb22982
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