Grim reaper scenario or Rudy, A recipe for disaster!

October 27, 2007 | Ebmiller

[ebmiller]

There are many reasons a conservative should not vote for Rudy in the Republican primary but I want to emphasize one reason that has not been stated enough on most of the websites I frequent. He will depress the conservative vote, which will impact most other Republicans running for office. That means any close race that a Republican might have won because of the conservative vote, will go down to defeat because enough conservatives stayed home and did not vote. It is a fact that many voters will not come out to the polls if they feel that there is no real choice. When you give the conservative a choice of a liberal New York senator or a liberal New York former mayor for President you will get many conservatives staying home. Whether you think that is good or bad, that is just reality. So say goodbye to closing the gap in the US Senate and could lead to a veto proof majority for the Democrats. Say goodbye to any chance on taking back the House of Representatives. Rudy is a recipe for disaster!

[Nathan Zachary]

Well lets see; How about I vote for Fred instead??

That takes care of all those problems

[broncobilly]

It is a fact that many voters will not come out to the polls if they feel that there is no real choice.

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That is one problem we face. It will turn voters off. Another problem we face will also turn voters off. I am referring to the smearing that is going on in some quarters of the Republican pre-primary campaign. I see a lot of it against Romney. And I see some of it against Thompson. Compare that with the “kid glove” competition going on in the Democratic campaign. If we are to end up united against the Democrats in the final election, I think it would be helpful if we could be more fair and objective in our opposition to particular candidates. Is that too much to expect?

[ebmiller]

Agree

No smears, lets just review each candidates record and vote accordingly.

[AmericaUnited]

In the GROWN UP world we live in, sometimes you have to choose the better of two evils. Taking your ball, quitting, and running home to mommy blubbering, only works up until the age of 5. THAT'S REALITY.

If it comes down to Rudy vs the Evil Witch, I will vote for Rudy absolutely. Matter of fact, if it comes to Rudy vs any of the RAT candidates, I will vote for Rudy. If Satan Incarnate was running against the Evil Witch, I would vote for him, and drag 10 friends and relatives to the polls to do likewise. The perils/harm that would come against this great country if the Evil Witch and her minions came into power, would be staggering.

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

The Best man will be elected POTUSA.
Here is to President Duncan Hunter.

[ebmiller]

I’m not suggesting in this post to not vote. I’m just suggesting the reality of the depressed vote. It will happen if Rudy is the nominee.

[Bulwinkle]

“It is a fact that many voters will not come out to the polls if they feel that there is no real choice.”?????

1. Hmmm… Rudy and Hillary are political twins? No.
2. Defeatist attitude is what makes people sit at home.

Right now everyone is motivated. Attacks on Rudy like yours, attacks on Mitt because of his religion, attack on Fred cause he’s not motivated, etc. are all counter productive.

[kjo]

Look guys...the abortion genie is NEVER going back in the bottle. Even were the Court to overturn Wade ninety percent of state legislatures would legalize “choice”. Most women want control over their reproduction lives. I don’t like it either but that’s the fact.

Rudy is smart, he’s tough, he’s mean, and he’s mostly liberal on social issues but he promises another Roberts on the Court. I say...try Rudy, he’s electable, he can beat Hitlery. Let’s win. Let’s keep Bill out of the White House.

[bilhosty]

surveys usually sow there are about 35% conservative voters and about 25 % liberal. If you run a half way decent conservative you usually get enough independents to win. Now polls are showing us losing independents 2-1. That means we lose. We need to appeal directly to moderates and independents this year. Rudy did venture left(he was running in NYC for gods sake) when he was in NYC that is correct. He also appealed directly to the lib’s with symbolism. But, there was a whole host of accomplishments and policy success’s that could fairly be called conservative. He is a mixed bag and was probably the most successful Mayor in American history. I don’t see any of the other candidates as winners.

[bilhosty]

“I’m not suggesting in this post to not vote. I’m just suggesting the reality of the depressed vote. It will happen if Rudy is the nominee.”

That is a fair and honest statement. That is something that has to be faced. however, I think most polls show that Rudy is the only one who can win. Unless you want to go to MCCain(shudder). I think most of those people who say they won’t vote for Rudy on this board almost certainly will and since they are telling pollsters that they won’t that is probably another 2-3% that can be added on to his totals.

Thank you, for posting this and I respect your views.

[fieldmarshaldj]

When’s the last time you could trust a liberal of either party to keep their word, especially to Conservatives ? The promises of Hillary, Rudy, ‘n Mitt are worthless.

[kjo]

I understand your hesitation, I feel it too. Still, he’s our best shot.

Anyone is better then putting the Clinton’s back in.

[kjo]

Eighty percent of the media will be against us...factor it in and deal with it.

The MSM is an organ of the DNC.

[Dudoight]

I am with you!

The ‘principled’ Christian Righteous are going to gift us with Hilary.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Actually, he isn’t our best shot. I’ve already seen the polling data. In my now-dependably GOP state of TN, the numbers are pretty clear. Nominate Fred, and he turns out Conservatives. Nominate Rudy, and watch them vanish. Fred leads Hillary by between a dozen to 20%. Rudy is tied or within the margin of error. That’s a fiasco just waiting to happen. And we already know a 3rd party candidate will emerge if he is the nominee.

The funny thing is, I’ve also seen polling data indicating McCain is quite strong (and stronger, in some cases) than Fred, but he is unviable because of his age, clear-cut senility, and serious anger management issues (and that’s before you even get to the position issues). The media would rip him to shreds the day after he was nominated (and you’ve seen the “Heeeeeeeerreee’s Johnny !” pictures).

We have no other option but to support Fred if we don’t want a 3rd party Conservative to come forward.

[tsowellfan]

Good idea! Fred’s got my vote!

[Beckwith]

In the GROWN UP world we live in, sometimes you have to choose the better of two evils. Taking your ball, quitting, and running home to mommy blubbering, only works up until the age of 5. THAT'S REALITY.

Ahhh, a reasonable post - - how refreshing.

I continue to be amazed at some of my fellow Freeper's statements about "sitting out," "third parties" and God-knows what else.

There is one simple fact about the 2008 election, if Republicans bolt the party for any reason, they guarantee the election of Hillary Clinton.

Of course, these whiners would then be able to piss-and-moan for the next 8 years, which, I suspect they're all about in the first place.

[kjo]

Well...you have polls, I only have my gut, and it tells me Fred isn’t up to it. In a Fred/Hitlery race I suspect she will pull three hundred plus electoral votes. Just my feeling.

Rudy is the MSM’s worst nightmare. A social liberal who promises conservative government. And he’s mean. This guy took on the Mafia knowing they could kill him at any time.

I see him as a potential Teddy Roosevelt. Independent, smart, and someone terrorists won’t be able to play with. He’ll hit them if they hit us. Hillary never would.

[tsowellfan]

When you give the conservative a choice of a liberal New York senator or a liberal New York former mayor for President you will get many conservatives staying home

Giuliani is not my favorite candidate in the race. Im hoping Fred Thompson will win. That being said, if any 'conservative' were to stay home from any election during these times that would be a big loss in political fight against the War On Terror because the conservatives would be sending the message that fighting islamic radicals is just not a priority in the world.

While I am always going to vote for the most conservative on domestic issues as long as that conservative is the one most likely to continue fighting for the survival of western culture I do have a question for those conservatives who would stay home if Rudy was the winner.

What good are your conservative ideas if we lose this war on terror and Sharia Law becomes the law of the land? What good are your liberal ideas if we lose this war on terror and sharia law becomes the law of the land?

Seems like some of the Rudy haters actually hate him more than the idea of being defeated by islamic fascists. I truly believe Rudy has a personal passion to win this war. What good are Rudy's stances on gay issues if we lose this war and the gays are slaughtered after the jews and before us Christians?

Grow up! The enemy (not Rudy) wants to kill your ideas, conservative and liberal. We are at war.