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Medical marijuana advocate kills herself
Missoulian.com ^ | 10/26/07 | MICHAEL MOORE

Posted on 10/26/2007 11:34:42 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: Hornitos
...if its use alleviates the symptoms of those who are suffering then they ought to be allow the treatment.

She had something. She used her own treatment. Marijuana doesn't seem to have been the cure.

21 posted on 10/27/2007 12:28:28 AM PDT by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. Funny, the very next day, they're doing it...)
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To: Libloather

Thank You Big Brother For Protecting Me From A “Dope Fiend”.
Take it easy. The woman just died...
~~~
Sorry if I trashed your thread,,,I apologize,,,But,,,
WTH would it hurt us all if she was given whatever it takes
to ease her pain/whatever ??

Prayers Up...

GOD Bless...


22 posted on 10/27/2007 12:36:27 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Libloather

Again, (for the ADD-sufferers among us) if it alleviates SYMPTOMS then it ought to be allowed. No one has mentioned “cure”.


23 posted on 10/27/2007 12:38:24 AM PDT by Hornitos
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To: Libloather
it is more vital that we win the War on Drugs than it is the War or Terrorism! Every person in the country that had ever taken a toke should be locked in Gitmo for the rest of their miserable lives! /sarcasm

Notice that I did have to put a sarcasm tag on the above statement?

24 posted on 10/27/2007 12:42:48 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: SteveMcKing; Libloather; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; burzum; Darkwolf377; Hornitos; Gabz; ...
We don't make laws and policy based on a few exceptional cases.

I beg to differ.

It is one of the great pillars of this grand Republic that we protect rights even if it's not the "easy route." We protect the RKBA, even if the threat of their need to stave off the government is "an exceptional case." We set our standard of conviction high, erring on the side of releasing the guilty rather than punishing the innocent. We don't physically limit motor vehicles to the legal speed limit just because the true need to go faster is "exceptional."

The heart of the Republic is protecting the minorities against the majority case. Going with the majority case is called Demobracy...I mean, Democracy...something the Founding Fathers were rightly against.

At the time, the DEA special agent in charge of the Rocky Mountain Field Division said federal agents were “protecting people from their own state laws” by seizing such shipments.
Any FReeper who doesn't consider this anathema should question his supposed conservatism or support for the Constitution. You don't get much clearer in opposition to our Federalist system than this statement.

Unfortunately, it seems like more and more FReepers are in favor of a big Nanny-State government and have adopted the Liberal idea of "we know better than you what's good for you."

25 posted on 10/27/2007 12:51:16 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Hornitos
...if it if it alleviates SYMPTOMS then it ought to be allowed.

She tried pot. That didn't do the trick. Did it really alleviate anything doctor?

You are a doctor - right? You certainly prescribe medication to patients - don't you?

26 posted on 10/27/2007 12:52:34 AM PDT by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. Funny, the very next day, they're doing it...)
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To: Gondring
Unfortunately, it seems like more and more FReepers are in favor of a big Nanny-State government and have adopted the Liberal idea of "we know better than you what's good for you."

Good post. As Rush once did, I'm considering a trial separation from the Republican party. It's becoming a party of people who want to fight the liberals telling me how to live my life...so "CONSERVATIVES" can tell me how to live my life.

27 posted on 10/27/2007 12:54:28 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: burzum

She made the choice. One less vote for Ron Paul.


28 posted on 10/27/2007 12:56:39 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: pawdoggie
I don't know Robin Prosser, and I agree with looking at articles with a critical eye. But if you can trust a fellow FReeper, this need for relief (that can be gained by marijuana) isn't as uncommon or "exceptional" as folks might think. And Robin Prosser isn't the first to find suicide a more palatable option than living without effective palliative care--that could have been provided by more readily available marijuana.

Sadly, I have personal knowledge. :-( ...but my reaction to the loss of Ms. Prosser is the same as it was with my friend: I'm happy for her that she succeeded and escaped her pain. As much as it hurts to lose someone, I find it far more sick to make a person stick around and endure a living hell just for own pleasure or to assuage our guilt of arbitrarily sentencing them to passively endure a treatable condition.

29 posted on 10/27/2007 12:58:37 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Libloather
She tried pot. That didn't do the trick.

Huh?

Because it didn't cure her? Because it didn't remove 100% of the symptoms, side-effect-free? Is that the standard you use?

30 posted on 10/27/2007 1:00:32 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: burzum
As for me I would rather see her go to a real doctor and get something for what ever ails her. Smoking dope is a cop out. You are now going to tell me that her dope helps her but all the medical science in existence can’t ease her pain. Get real. Dope is dope. I’d be willing to bet you that if a Doctor told one of these pot heads that they had a marijuana pill that they could swallow, they would turn it down and say that they have to smoke it or it wont help them.
31 posted on 10/27/2007 1:02:28 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Darkwolf377

actually it’s the Libertarian response. Never vote for a Libertarian.


32 posted on 10/27/2007 1:04:17 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: burzum

Why does the government have to regulate drugs that can be restricted to home use? As long as alcohol is legal they have little business picking and choosing.

Having to pay doctors for my migraine meds irritates me...it gives me a worse headache.

If you want drugs register as a user and allow employers to ask and choose about the matter. There’s a better system than what we have....actually, it couldn’t be much worse.


33 posted on 10/27/2007 1:04:28 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
WTH would it hurt us all if she was given whatever it takes to ease her pain/whatever ??

She took what she thought would ease the pain. Apparently, 25 years of smoking didn't end her suffering.

May she rest in peace.

34 posted on 10/27/2007 1:06:42 AM PDT by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. Funny, the very next day, they're doing it...)
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To: fish hawk
Never vote for a Libertarian.

Oh, I didn't need to be reminded of that. No-way, no-how.

35 posted on 10/27/2007 1:07:32 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist Bostonian. If I don't respond it might be because you sent me something stupid)
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To: Libloather
No, she didn’t just die. She murdered herself. There is a difference.
36 posted on 10/27/2007 1:07:57 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Libloather
A lame try at redirection, there. I am basing my statement on the article posted. A person used marijuana to treat her pain as all other recommended or prescribed treatments failed, and she was thwarted by a Federal agency. They eventually declined to press charges.

From the article: “Most recently, she had found some people who said they could get her what she needed, but it didn't go well,” said her friend Jane Byard.

This statement is too vague to ascertain what was actually happening. Maybe the street dealer was too flakey to return her calls, or had to study for his calculus exams. For you to declare that the consupmtion of pot wasn't working for her is nowhere indicated in the article.

37 posted on 10/27/2007 1:08:01 AM PDT by Hornitos
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To: fish hawk
I’d be willing to bet you that if a Doctor told one of these pot heads that they had a marijuana pill that they could swallow, they would turn it down and say that they have to smoke it or it wont help them.

How much you willing to put up?

(Though I want to clarify "these pot heads"...if you are referring to those who have already committed suicide rather than endure their misery, then no bet. If you're talking about any of the people I know who often say, "I wish there were just a pill that would do this and I could get it covered on insurance and not worry about the DEA," then you're on!)

You are now going to tell me that her dope helps her but all the medical science in existence can’t ease her pain.

I take it you don't have many dealings with people who are disabled or terminally ill. Or psychiatrists. If you did, I think you'd not have posted what you did.

Note that even with the laundry list of pharmaceutical anti-depressants we have (and effective therapy techniques like CBT), about 15% of patients with clinical depression don't find relief. But guess what...there might be a link with Omega-3 that gives some relief to these treatment-resistant sufferers. If Omega-3 supplements were banned, these fokks couldn't just go to a doc and say, "fix me!"

38 posted on 10/27/2007 1:14:02 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Loud Mime
Why does the government have to regulate drugs that can be restricted to home use? As long as alcohol is legal they have little business picking and choosing.

They have a place in such things as antibiotics, where there's a public health problem (MRSA, anyone?) if used indiscriminately. A debatable claim can be made for marijuana having a public-health risk that justifies regulation.

But the key is "regulate," at an appropriate level. Banning use by patients who could benefit from it, with minimal public-health risk, is a different story.

39 posted on 10/27/2007 1:17:55 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Well-stated.
40 posted on 10/27/2007 1:20:02 AM PDT by Hornitos
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