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Now what would a huge US bomb be aimed at? (good article)
Times of London ^ | 10/26/07 | Gerard Baker

Posted on 10/26/2007 7:13:52 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

The TimesOctober 26, 2007

Now what would a huge US bomb be aimed at?

Gerard Baker

Nestled deep in George Bush’s latest $190 billion request to Congress for emergency funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is a tantalising little item that has received scant attention.

The US Department of Defence has asked for an additional $88 million to modify B2 stealth bombers so that they can carry a 30,000lb bomb called the massive ordnance penetrator (or MOP, in the disarming acronymic vernacular of the military). The MOP is an advanced form of a “bunker buster”, an air-delivered weapon with an explosive capacity to destroy targets deep underground. Explaining the request, the Administration says it is in response to an “urgent operational need from theatre commanders”. What kind of emergency could that be?

It’s possible that the US Air Force wants more firepower in the hunt for Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda as they skulk in their caves in Afghanistan. But that wouldn’t require stealth bombers – the sleek, black-skinned, radar-dodging darts of the US military. The Americans own the skies over Afghanistan and Iraq and could, if they wished, blanket the two countries with all manner of bombardment from a few thousand feet in broad daylight.

So what lies somewhere between Iraq and Afghanistan that might demand the urgent deployment of a stealth aircraft that can quietly drop a 30,000lb bomb and destroy something several storeys below ground? The secret wine cellars in Tehran that house the illicit stash of vintage clarets belonging to the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? The vast collection of grey polyester suits and Iranian goody bags that lie in wait for the next batch of luckless British sailors?

Pat yourself on the back if you correctly identified the subterranean nuclear enrichment facilities operated by the Iranian Government in its pursuit of an epoch-altering Bomb.

The debate in Washington about what to do with the increasingly recalcitrant and self-confident Iranian regime has taken a significant turn in the past few weeks. And the decision to upgrade the bombing capacity of the US military is perhaps the most powerful indication yet that the debate is reaching a climax.

A number of developments have tilted the argument towards a more assertive US posture. First, even the ever-optimistic Sisyphuses at the State Department are tiring of pushing the rock of diplomatic futility up the slopes of Russian intransigence. It’s clear even to the most starry-eyed of Russophiles that Moscow, under its breathtakingly arrogant and ambitious President, has no intention of lifting a finger to help the US and its allies with serious economic measures that might persuade the Iranians to disarm. (This is a staggeringly shortsighted decision given the threat posed by a militant, nuclear-armed Islamist state on the borders of former Soviet republics with large Muslim populations.) Meanwhile, China too continues its myopic pursuit of global commercial opportunities to the exclusion of its long-term strategic security.

At the same time other diplomatic signalling has become much more favourable. France has long been an advocate of a hardline approach towards Iran and Nicolas Sarkozy’s Government has recently indicated its willingness to put its military wherewithal where its mouth is.

Then there was the resignation last week of Ali Larijani as the chief Iranian nuclear negotiator. Those of us who have watched Mr Larijani’s deadpan performances over the years as he has explained Iran’s wholly peaceful intentions to international conferences have wondered how long he could keep it up.

It’s possible he just got fed up with the effort of telling all those lies to disbelieving Western audiences. But the more likely explanation, among Iran watchers in Washington, is that he failed to convince the religious leaders to whom he was accountable to rein in the lunatic reveries of Mr Ahmadinejad. So much, by the way, for the old comforting contention that the mullahs didn’t really share the President’s apocalyptic messianism on the issue of the Bomb.

Another significant development was what happened last month when Israeli jets attacked a target inside Syria. The details remain murky but

it looks increasingly as though Israel may have pulled off a near-repeat of its 1981 takeout of the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor. The word in parts of the US Government is that the assault went encouragingly well, defanging an emerging threat, and, crucially doing so without obviously provoking a devastating backlash against Israel and its allies.

Iran is not Syria, of course. Its tentacles, through terrorist networks around the world, are much more extensive. But the biggest argument within the US against military action in Iran has always been that such a move would inflame public opinion, causing the Iranian people – who despise their regime perhaps more than the Americans do – to rally around the Government, while, at the same time, not doing enough to set back the nuclear programme.

Now the US thinks it has the intelligence and the military capacity to undermine the Iranian threat seriously, and the costs of doing so may not be as high as once seemed.

Of all the silly arguments that pass as conventional wisdom in this debate is the claim that the US would be crazy to start a war with Iran. It’s a silly argument because America is already at war with Iran. Every day US soldiers in Iraq are attacked by Iranian-financed paramilitaries, with Iranian-produced weapons in pursuit of Iranian political objectives. Iran is manipulating the Iraqi Government in ways that undercut the steady progress the US is making in Iraq.

The only real question about the next phase in this war is whether an escalation by the US, in a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, would further American – and Western – objectives, or impede them. The evidence is increasingly suggesting that the costs of not acting are equal to or larger than the costs of acting.

Military action is not inevitable; yesterday the US again emphasised the diplomatic option with a strengthening of economic sanctions. And it’s still possible that someone will prevail on the Iranians to ditch their menacing and destructive aims. But it is starting to look as though, with not much more than a year left in his term, President Bush has decided, as he surveys the unedifying global territory of ideological and state-backed terror, that he needs to clean house.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: b2; bunkerbuster; iran; justdoit; moab; mop; nuke; takingoutthetrash
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1 posted on 10/26/2007 7:13:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: nuconvert; FARS; freedom44; AdmSmith

Ping!


2 posted on 10/26/2007 7:14:25 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Putin’s shiny noggin?


3 posted on 10/26/2007 7:16:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Yoooohooooo....!

We can call it the Osama 'bama!

4 posted on 10/26/2007 7:18:07 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. <br> "What happens if neutrinos have mass?")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
But it is starting to look as though, with not much more than a year left in his term, President Bush has decided, as he surveys the unedifying global territory of ideological and state-backed terror, that he needs to clean house.

Guess we're closing all pending family buisness?

Iran, forgetaboutit!

5 posted on 10/26/2007 7:21:40 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: theDentist

Fuel-air bombs aren’t “bunker busters.”


6 posted on 10/26/2007 7:24:04 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Here is a thought........

The Russians tested their own “bunker buster” last month.

Could this test have been a means to not test the bomb, but test various methods of protecting against such bombs?

Could this all be to provide Iran with data on how to better protect its nuclear facilities?


7 posted on 10/26/2007 7:24:48 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: theDentist

According to some of my USAF acquisition friends, the MOP has been in the pipeline for a while since almost everyone on the planet recognizes our air superiority and ability to bomb at will. Naturally, they respond to that by burying their command & control and arsenal (conventional or not) underground.

The problem with associating this device exclusively with Iran is that it opens up what is otherwise a munition of broad utility to unecessary political wrangling.


8 posted on 10/26/2007 7:24:58 AM PDT by SomeReasonableDude (Back it up.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Moscow.


9 posted on 10/26/2007 7:25:44 AM PDT by fweingart (FRED! (How is Mumia Abu-Jamal these days?))
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Explaining the request, the Administration says it is in response to an “urgent operational need from theatre commanders”. What kind of emergency could that be?

Now, when you get right down to it ... it's interesting to note how much publicity this is getting. There's no particular reason for it to be getting so much coverage.

It's not really the sort of thing you'd expect to see being aired in public, especially if it's being described as an "urgent operational need."

What it really appears to be ... is a rather cleverly-delivered message to our friends in Tehran, and probably also North Korea and Syria.

I've no doubt that there really is an "urgent operational need," and that they're serious about deploying it quickly. But it's worth noting that simply mentioning it in public probably has the effect of buying us a little time and leverage, as the bad guys scramble around trying to protect themselves from it.

10 posted on 10/26/2007 7:25:59 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I hope this is sent to Ahmaddeinejad “with love”.


11 posted on 10/26/2007 7:26:09 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: sionnsar

it is if it somehow breaks thru the cave entrance! :-)

Yes, I know, but I couldn’t find a photo of the 30K bunker buster going off.


12 posted on 10/26/2007 7:26:28 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. <br> "What happens if neutrinos have mass?")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It’s clear even to the most starry-eyed of Russophiles that Moscow, under its breathtakingly arrogant and ambitious President, has no intention of lifting a finger to help the US and its allies with serious economic measures that might persuade the Iranians to disarm. (This is a staggeringly shortsighted decision given the threat posed by a militant, nuclear-armed Islamist state on the borders of former Soviet republics with large Muslim populations.)

The Russian strategy makes perfect sense. They don't care if the Iranians raise Hell all over the World. In fact, it works to their advantage and raises the value of their resources. If the entire Middle East is plunged into war, the Russians win because they hold massive reserves of oil and gas that will triple in value overnight, and there will be no restriction on how much they can sell.

And the Russians know that the Iranians will never come after them in any serious way, because they know that the Iranians know that Russia would just nuke them flat, without the slightest hesitation.

13 posted on 10/26/2007 7:27:30 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: theDentist
LOL! I don't think a picture of any of those bombs would be very interesting -- except when going off, and how on earth is one going to get a picture of that?

One has to marvel at the circumlocution of "destroying all human life" though...

14 posted on 10/26/2007 7:29:05 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I was thinking Iran.


15 posted on 10/26/2007 7:31:58 AM PDT by wastedyears (A cosmic castaway)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Of all the silly arguments that pass as conventional wisdom in this debate is the claim that the US would be crazy to start a war with Iran. It’s a silly argument because America is already at war with Iran.

And have been for 28 years! We just haven't started fighting back yet...it's about time we start.

16 posted on 10/26/2007 7:32:03 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
the Administration says it is in response to an “urgent operational need from theatre commanders”. What kind of emergency could that be?

He's finally fed up with the crap in the theaters, and is going to bomb Hollywood?

17 posted on 10/26/2007 7:33:16 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Actually, the US Congress is a target rich environment. There are more anti-American, American hating, enemies of the Republic in that buidling than the entire middle east. Inside the belt way, I would bet that 85 to 95% are liberals.


18 posted on 10/26/2007 7:33:46 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Marxists Dimocrats hate the military and hate free America. They want a commie empire.)
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To: theDentist
That one belongs to the Russkis. It's good for destroying stuff on the surface, but it is not a 'bunker buster.'

The nearest US equivalent is the MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Burst) dropped from the back of a C-130 cargo aircraft.



19 posted on 10/26/2007 7:34:07 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: theDentist
FAE ordinance is not used as a “bunker buster” & we don’t have any Tupelov TU-160 Blackjacks in our inventory to deliver such ordinance.I believe this is a depiction of the Ruskies “Father of all Bombs” propaganda recent release.
20 posted on 10/26/2007 7:34:23 AM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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