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Lessons of the Dream Act defeat: Senate vote reveals staying power of illegal immigration issue
MSNBC ^ | October 24, 2007 | Tom Curry

Posted on 10/24/2007 9:46:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Senate rejected Wednesday an attempt to move ahead with a bill to allow illegal immigrants under age 30 to remain in the United States and gain legal status if they attend college or join the military.

The vote to move ahead on the Dream Act (the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act), got 52 votes, eight short of the 60 needed.

Among those voting against moving ahead with the bill were eight Democrats, even though Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appealed to his majority to back him.

But this was yet another case when the Democratic majority was not a true working majority. Senate rules require a supermajority of 60 to advance most bills.

The vote was a significant leading indicator for 2008 of the potency of illegal immigration as an election issue.

Implications for 2008 Illegal immigration remains at a legislative impasse — and that may be a good thing for GOP chances since the party’s base in the South and West tends to be vehemently opposed to any accommodation with illegal immigrants.

In his post-vote assessment, the Dream Act’s chief sponsor, Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois said, “In a campaign year, it is a very difficult issue. If it’s tough this year, it’s tougher next year.”

Some senators, he said, “are running scared” on the illegal immigrant issue.(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Minnesota; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; aliens; amnesty; borders; bordersecurity; bush; bushlegacy; congress; crimaliens; criminalaliens; deportation; dreamact; elections; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; jorgeboosh; juanmccainez; laraza; mexicans; senate; shamnesty; wheresthefence
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Do these "Beltway Bandits" even live on the same planet that we do? They think all this uproar is about racism and nativism! They've got themselves convinced that the rubes and the hayseeds just don't like "brown people" and this is another 1965. What a bunch of jackasses!
1 posted on 10/24/2007 9:46:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lessons of the Dream Act defeat: Senate vote reveals staying power of illegal immigration opposition. (Fixed it).


2 posted on 10/24/2007 9:55:09 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this ever passes, someone needs to add an amendment that allows “Dog” Chapman into Mexico to catch all the illegals that find their homes in Mexico after borrowing hundred of thousands of dollars in student loans. They will skit across the border then.


3 posted on 10/24/2007 9:55:10 PM PDT by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nope they don’t. Their world stops at the Beltway.
No matter which of the 50 States the “Bandits” or “Congress Critters” come from once they enter thru the portals of DC they become different people. Power and $’s corrupts even the best. Tragic!


4 posted on 10/24/2007 9:55:43 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are divorced from reality and they will suffer the consequences. That’s a good thing.


5 posted on 10/24/2007 9:57:17 PM PDT by isrul (Lamentations 5:2)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mark Pryor of Arkansas voted against it so what does he know that Huckabeee doesn’t?
6 posted on 10/24/2007 10:04:58 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: isrul; 2ndDivisionVet

“They are divorced from reality and they will suffer the consequences. That’s a good thing”

Even the Dims are running scared....good thing!


7 posted on 10/24/2007 10:06:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any list of names of those who voted?


8 posted on 10/24/2007 10:07:42 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: TaMoDee
Check this out:

Fred Thompson Hitting Rudy Giuliani With A Club On Illegal Immigration Record

9 posted on 10/24/2007 10:07:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Just mythoughts
Mark Pryor of Arkansas voted against it so what does he know that Huckabeee doesn’t?

Pryor is up for reelection in 08. Huckabee is out looking for a job.
10 posted on 10/24/2007 10:09:16 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Grouped by Home State
Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Nay Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Alaska: Murkowski (R-AK), Nay Stevens (R-AK), Nay
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Nay McCain (R-AZ), Not Voting
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Nay
California: Boxer (D-CA), Not Voting Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado: Allard (R-CO), Nay Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Not Voting Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Delaware: Biden (D-DE), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea
Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Nay Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Idaho: Craig (R-ID), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Nay
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Yea Obama (D-IL), Yea
Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Nay McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Nay Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Minnesota: Coleman (R-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Nay Lott (R-MS), Yea
Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Nay McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Nay Tester (D-MT), Nay
Nebraska: Hagel (R-NE), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Nay Reid (D-NV), Yea
New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Nay Sununu (R-NH), Nay
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Yea Domenici (R-NM), Nay
New York: Clinton (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Nay Dole (R-NC), Nay
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Nay Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Nay Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Oregon: Smith (R-OR), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Specter (R-PA), Nay
Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Nay Graham (R-SC), Nay
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Nay
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Nay Corker (R-TN), Nay
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Virginia: Warner (R-VA), Nay Webb (D-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea
West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Nay Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Nay Enzi (R-WY), Nay


11 posted on 10/24/2007 10:10:56 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: stephenjohnbanker

YEAs -—52
Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Brown (D-OH)
Brownback (R-KS)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs -—44
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Not Voting - 4
Boxer (D-CA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
McCain (R-AZ)


12 posted on 10/24/2007 10:13:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
“They are divorced from reality and they will suffer the consequences. That’s a good thing”

Correction..... 'WE' will suffer the consequences for their corruptions.

13 posted on 10/24/2007 10:13:53 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: TomGuy

It shows the absolute power and will of the majority of Americans. These chumps will never get it. Besides they have to at least make the try for their special interests bribes.


14 posted on 10/24/2007 10:16:25 PM PDT by fantom
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To: TaMoDee
"No matter which of the 50 States the “Bandits” or “Congress Critters” come from once they enter thru the portals of DC they become different people."

Sounds about right. Since the 17th Amendment was ratified, the elected senators wave good bye to their state, ne'er to look back as they race through the portals of instant riches holding their shovels and empty gunny sacks. Like watching replays of the gold rush of '49.

15 posted on 10/24/2007 10:18:51 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: TomGuy
Pryor is up for reelection in 08. Huckabee is out looking for a job.

So Huckabee does not even want to carry his own state? John McCain the biggest pusher of illegal immigration did not even vote... says a whole lot about the tide of illegal flow.

16 posted on 10/24/2007 10:19:12 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trent Lott votes yea...that P O S!!!!!!!!!!


17 posted on 10/24/2007 10:22:49 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: texastoo

Just so long as we don’t have a rule that when “Dog” Chapman is mentioned we have to post a picture of Beth, then I’m ok.


18 posted on 10/24/2007 10:30:42 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; TomGuy

Thank you both!


19 posted on 10/24/2007 10:31:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its even odd that MSNBC would use the term “Illegal Immigrant.”


20 posted on 10/24/2007 10:31:08 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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