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Samsung breakthrough packs 128 GB on one flash memory card
SciFi.com ^ | 10/23/07 | Charlie White - Gizmodo

Posted on 10/23/2007 4:28:47 PM PDT by gridlock

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To: MarineBrat

They will end up calling it i-Gig

Initially, it will cost over 500 dollars. Then they will realize they made a huge mistake and will lower the pri...

oops, wrong company!


21 posted on 10/23/2007 5:33:51 PM PDT by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: Myrddin
What about the SanDisk solid-state hard drives that are already available (at a ridiculous price) to replace spinning drives?

Word has it that booting Windows is nearly instantaneous.

22 posted on 10/23/2007 5:36:38 PM PDT by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: Myrddin

This kind of solid-state drive would also be ideal for small robots, if you didn’t have to make them for $100 ;)


24 posted on 10/23/2007 5:38:26 PM PDT by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: TheZMan
Have they ever solved the problem that after you had written to the same spot on the drive a number of times that spot was now no longer viable?

Without going into specifics. My employer did considerable testing before deploying tens of thousands of special purpose machines, using flash memory, which is written over and over again. We've had them in the field for a few years now. I've not heard of any problems.

25 posted on 10/23/2007 5:45:32 PM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: gridlock

I am so impressed with the electronics from South Korea. Seriously, a few years ago I considered Korean products as cheap, second-rate products. But now I place them squarely as good as anything from Japan or the USA. Anything from Samsung or LG is as good as it gets. Kudos to the Koreans for truly achieving superiority in many markets.


26 posted on 10/23/2007 5:46:21 PM PDT by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: Pontiac

http://portableapps.com/
There are some tricks to getting a OS on a Flash Drive.
Windows CE and some loads of Linux will work though.


27 posted on 10/23/2007 6:10:26 PM PDT by pgobrien (82d Abn Inf pings......)
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To: Sender

BUMP!


28 posted on 10/23/2007 6:12:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Sender

And I haven’t heard any stories about slave labor, forced abortions, pesticides in breakfast cereal, or lead in teething rings.


29 posted on 10/23/2007 6:35:04 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Myrddin

Sounds like MP3 players would be a good application.


30 posted on 10/23/2007 7:02:47 PM PDT by Humble Servant (Keep it simple - do what's right.)
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To: gridlock

Samsung’s been coming out with a number of amazing products this year. If Sony’s OLED product doesn’t take off, they had better watch out!


31 posted on 10/23/2007 7:42:22 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: TheZMan

The durability of one of these flash memory drives is only about 100 years, so, no, the problem hasn’t been solved.


32 posted on 10/23/2007 8:45:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; martin_fierro

Whew!


33 posted on 10/23/2007 8:47:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mysterio
Wow. That’s something. I still remember buying my 100MB hard drive in college in ‘93 and thinking it would be impossible to fill that up. lol

I remember working on a driver for a 5 MB hard drive (the 8" floppies only went up to 1.2 MB); the supplier had up to 20 MB drives (which our computers supported but were out of my price range).

34 posted on 10/23/2007 9:36:41 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Humble Servant
Sounds like MP3 players would be a good application.

Perfect. That is essentially the approach used for the iPOD Nano and Shuffle. It will now be reasonable for the higher end iPOD devices. Less power and nearly indestructible.

35 posted on 10/23/2007 9:55:51 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: TheZMan
Have they ever solved the problem that after you had written to the same spot on the drive a number of times that spot was now no longer viable?

Flash drives use wear-leveling algorithms so that the 100,000 write cycles/page ends up allowing trillions of writes total. Unfortunately, the flash-leveling algorithms are used to emulate a sector-writable device which is then used with a FAT16 or FAT32 file system. If I remember correctly, a 256MB SmartMedia card is divided into blocks of 256 pages of 512 bytes each; each of the page on a block may only be written twice before the entire block is erased. When DOS or Windows wants to write e.g. sector 1234, the flash file system finds a blank page someplace and writes the data there along with a tag saying it's sector 1234; it then marks the old sector 1234 to indicate it's no longer valid. At some point many blocks are going to be full but contain a number of invalidated pages. The wear-leveling algorithm will periodically copy the data from such block into fresh pages. Indeed, to ensure that wear is distributed evenly, even blocks that don't have any invalid data will be periodically moved elsewhere. This ensures that even if a disk is 90% full of files that never change, the "churn" won't always occur in the same 10% that remains.

While wear leveling is certainly a good feature, the approach of emulating a sector-based device and putting a FAT file system on it is a bad one. For good performance, free space should be consolidated, but the sector-based flash systems don't know what sectors the PC file system considers to be "free". Fragmentation can often be a severe problem with older flash drives; had the drives implemented some sort of direct file system, such a problem could have been avoided.

36 posted on 10/23/2007 9:58:44 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Sender
I use modules from Apacer on the Diamond Systems Elektra PC104. The optimized Linux kernel boots from power on to fully functioning in 15 seconds flat. The disk footprint is very small too. QNX boots a little faster, has a smaller footprint (disk and RAM) and is a real RTOS. It costs a little more. I have yet to hit a lifetime limit when running without a swap file. That includes performing daily bearing vibration analysis with 8MB of data samples taken daily and deleted after transmission to the server via a VerizonWireless 1xRTT connection.

Apacer modules act like a parallel ATA disk drive. The ASIC performs the "wear leveling" transparently. It works fine with Linux, QNX and Windows.

37 posted on 10/23/2007 10:02:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Pontiac
Reading the OS into RAM from FLASH, then executing without touching the FLASH again is a common strategy. Some embedded systems use EEPROM for persistent storage of custom values. That is the case with the PIC18F6680 that I use on my CAN controllers. The program memory is in FLASH. The application can use the EEPROM area to save tunable parameters such as node id, delay parameters and calibration values for the A to D converter.
38 posted on 10/23/2007 10:09:26 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: gridlock
We can't wait to see the impact of this technology, expected to hit the market by 2009.

Well it's not all good. The government will start remembering everything about you, all your cell phone pings from everywhere you go, every expression on your face and everything you look at as you walk down every street. It's a socialist dictator's dream.

The mechanical disk drive is the slowest most unreliable part of a computer. The problem is they keep growing in capacity while dropping in cost, so they never seem to go away.

It's possible right now to convert the entire text content in the Library of Congress, every newspaper and book ever copyrighted in America, onto a single $150 disk drive. I would think that would greatly extend the amount of knowledge everyone could data mine. This would be bad for leftism because the patterns of failure couldn't so easily be hidden. Sadly the Library of Congress has no plans to digitize their collection.

39 posted on 10/23/2007 10:18:01 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: djf

Very clever! 82 on funny.


40 posted on 10/23/2007 11:39:12 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (1 for the money, 2 for the show, elect Hillary prez and I go, go, go.)
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