Dramatic chipmunk alert!
Posted on 10/23/2007 3:07:36 PM PDT by balch3
How old is the world?
Most people would say: "Nobody knows."
But the author of the book frequently described as the greatest history book ever written, said the world was created Oct. 23, 4004 B.C. – making it exactly 6,010 today.
In the 1650s, an Anglican bishop named James Ussher published his "Annals of the World," subtitled, "The Origin of Time, and Continued to the Beginning of the Emperor Vespasian's Reign and the Total Destruction and Abolition of the Temple and Commonwealth of the Jews." First published in Latin, it consisted of more than 1,600 pages.
The book, now published in English for the first time, is a favorite of homeschoolers and those who take ancient history seriously. It's the history of the world from the Garden of Eden to the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70.
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Of course, there will be those who disagree with Ussher's calculations of time – especially evolutionists who need billions of years to explain their theory of
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I didn’t say it was metaphorical. It is hyperbole just like the 2 Peter verse. Scripture use metaphors in other places. While I believe we should strive to understand the literal message of scripture I don’t believe we should take hyperbole, and metaphors at face value.
***Oh good. Let’s take the world of an alchemist as proof Ussher was right. ***
I think Newton was more than just an alchemist. How about Mathmatician. Many of his formulas for math ate in use today.
Principia.
Since when has one day, not been one day? If you really believe in the Bible, not man’s science, when God created the sun, there was day and night, and this was the first day. God set it all in motion from the beginning, it hasn’t changed. It says a day, it means a day.
Dramatic chipmunk alert!
As for the movement of the earth closer to the sun, into a tighter orbit, there is quite a bit said—
Isa 24:20 “The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
The earth is currently upside-down. If you go due north, you will hit the constellation of Draco, the dragon. When Jesus returns, His enemies are “placed at His feet”. The earth will be righted, moved out of its orbit, and moved closer to teh sun. At first, the earth will be scorched, in fact the Bible talks about the seas literally boiling, and evaporating. But this is part of God’s plan and with the universe repaired, the laws of physics altered and the vapor canopy, the firmament reinstated, we will enjoy quite a better world. After all, the sun is symbolic of God in the Bible, and we have moved away from Him. When He returns, we will be brought closer. Physically, as well as symbolically.
Absolutely friggin’ hilarious. This sort of thing is the number one reason lefties laugh at us - they think the majority of conservatives believe this kind of nonsense.
you’ll notice that in the article it states that they haven’t been “born” yet. This is typical. Scientists WANT, they NEED to see stars being born, so they say, oh, the interstellar nurseries are gas and dust, and our technology can penetrate to see first hand, but believe us! I repeat, no star has ever been observed to form. Science is all about observation. The Bible says that the universe has been subjected to futility. We know this. Entropy. Death. I repeat- we are running on fumes.
No, I really can’t agree this can be interpreted as hyperbolic. Clearly, both verses are stated as pertaining in God’s sight. God’s tanscendence is noted thoughout Scripture, therefore, for a transcendent God our concept of time is meaningless, and that’s exactly what these verses state. These verses then are literally true in God’s sight, there is no difference between a day and a thousand years when you are not bound by time.
I forgot to add this part. When taken in context that verse means nothing what intelligent design people want it to. Simply put, Peter is calling for patience. We humans have no patience and our timetables and desires are not the same as Gods. Please read:
2 Peter 3
The Day of the Lord
1Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. 2I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Really?!? I never knew.....
The point is he was also an alchemist, so I'm going to err on the side of caution and not take his word on philosophical matters as fact. Anybody that believed that bunk had to have more than one screw loose
Oh, and also, this is funny. Just using the conservation laws, momentum for example, that we know to be true, if you take a several light year-across collection of gas and dust, and crush it inwards into a stellar-sized object like our sun, if you do the math, when it is about the size of our sun, it would be rotating at 8 or so times light speed. Like a skater pulling in her arms. That’s some rotation.
Can you name a sect of Judaism that believes the world is 6,000 years old?
The majority of Christians also do not hold that view, most hold with the Thomas Aquinas philosophy about the intersection of Scientific data and matters of faith.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
Saint Thomas Aquinas
All this is available in an introductory level Physics book. Check out your local library.
You do realize that sufficient sun heat to boil the oceans would much more quickly burn up everything on land, including all the people, don’t you?
Why cannot these verses be interpreted figuratively, as any rational person would assume when reading them?
Is the great flood metaphor?
What about Lots wife being turned to salt?
How about the pillar of fire and cloud leading the Israelites out of Egypt?
What about the death of Christ?
What about the resurrection?
What about Christ's claim to deity
What is literal and what is metaphor?
Do we claim something is a metaphor simply because we as men can't understand or explain something to our own comprehension?
You haven’t read about the plagues in the Bible, that seem an awful like like radiation sickness, and that when Jesus returns people are hiding in caves (to block the radiation)? And also that when Jesus returns a man will be “rarer than fine gold?” Yes, most humans will be killed off. Jesus will return to an almost empty planet. That’s why the Bible says that 7 women will encircle a man and beg him to be their husband. The Bible also says that the sun will burn “seven times as brightly” as it does now. And then, the moon will be like the sun is now. Not a lot for the imagination. That’s pretty clear.
Thanks for the response.
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