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GOP Finds Hot Button in Illegal Immigration
Washington Post ^ | 23 October 2007 | By Jonathan Weisman

Posted on 10/23/2007 5:24:01 AM PDT by shrinkermd

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To: HockeyPop

Mexicans work for Mexicans. I have never seen a non-Mexican working for a Mexican establishment. When using my services they try to stall paying me by saying they don’t have cash. I tell them that I’ll take a check.


41 posted on 10/23/2007 7:21:04 AM PDT by Haddit (Hunter)
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To: HockeyPop

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3764171

I don’t know. I think that actually enforcing the laws, and stopping grants to Sancuary Cities is a great plan.

It’s already happening. Laura Ingraham reports about it all the time. ICE comes in, illegals are scared and they go home.

So far, the plan looks good.


42 posted on 10/23/2007 7:21:13 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: shrinkermd

[Illegal immigration IMHO has cost President Bush dearly; his approval rating would be over 50% if he had enforced border security.]

Amen to that. It has been his unprincipled social liberal domestic policies that have hurt his support from the conservative base because, frankly, he is wrong on the immigration bill and refused to enforce existing laws whish is his job. And he is the head of the executive branch of the three major branches of American government, is he not?
In other words, he is a social liberal and not a conservative and it cost him.


43 posted on 10/23/2007 7:21:22 AM PDT by kindred (I am voting conservatives like Hunter,or Third Party. No vote for Rudy or other rinos.)
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To: kabar
Tancredo is even better than Hunter on this issue, but neither one stands a snowball’s chance in Hell of being the Rep nominee.

Dubai ports was a done deal.

Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court was a done deal [recall that Harry Reid was the one who suggested her, implying that he had the votes to confirm].

Amnesty 2006 was a done deal [it even passed the Republican-controlled Senate].

Amnesty 2007 round 1 was a done deal.

Amnesty 2007 round 2 was a done deal.


The point is -- with a massive effort, a Tancredo or a Hunter, etc., would be the nominee. Right now, however, the GOP is split at roughly 20-25% for the top tier candidates, with none having a clear path to the nomination. Each of those factions represent a significant amount of self-interest. Those favoring Giuliani, for example, are miles away from the political philosophy of, say Hunter or Tancredo or even Huckabee. The GOP is splintered and it may not be able to find selectee to unite those 3 or 4 or 5 factions holding most of the convention delegate votes.

A vote-for-any-Republican instead of Hillary (which the RNC is hoping for) may not happen, if the GOP leadership selects a 'too moderate' or 'too left of center' compromise.
44 posted on 10/23/2007 7:22:33 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: MrB
“You mean that big, shiny, flashing, red, 3 foot diameter button right here in front of my face?”

DON'T TOUCH IT YOU FOOL!


45 posted on 10/23/2007 7:28:55 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My dog has worms, so I named him Scooter.)
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To: shrinkermd

Rush Limbaugh warned three years ago that this issue was the HOT botton the the GOP had better get out in front on...he said if the didn’t, the democrats would co-op the issue and win with it.


46 posted on 10/23/2007 7:29:56 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: Liz

The Ford foundation has nothing to do with Ford cars anymore. It has been pirated away buy the left. Much to the dismay of the Ford family.


47 posted on 10/23/2007 7:30:19 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: ovrtaxt

That’s EXACTLY what I was referring to - but I didn’t know how many would get the reference.


48 posted on 10/23/2007 7:30:19 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Impeach the Boy
the democrats would co-op the issue and win with it.

I'm not sure how they could do that. Their ideology is based around the ideas that those who are successful (Western, mostly white) MUST have succeeded through oppression of the minority, or those who are unsuccessful.
It stems directly from their inability and aversion to judging constructive, right, good behaviors and decisions over those that are destructive, wrong, and failed.

Since this is the engrained mindset, how could a clever, manipulative secular socialist democrat possibly oppose free flowing immigration of these poor oppressed people without totally turning off their base?

49 posted on 10/23/2007 7:34:52 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Haddit

Here in Florida its not only Mexicans, but central and South Americans, the Caribbbean, middle east, Pakistan, China...But to a great extent you are correct in that they do seek out their countrymen for employment. Their countrymen then game the system and these illegals in turn are taught how to game the it as well.

We are paying for their healthcare, maternity, schooling, sometimes even section 8 housing, their disproportionate crimes against us etc. All it takes is one 15 year old car with bald tires on a major highway during rush hour for thousands of people to lose valuable productive time while increasing their anxiety and aggravation...something that nobody ever quantifies.

Employer penalties is more resourceful a method than a multi billion dollar fence!


50 posted on 10/23/2007 7:36:49 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: TomGuy

Dubai ports was a done deal.

The WH pushed it, but it was a bipartisan effort that stopped, including many Dems who tried to use if for political purposes.

Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court was a done deal [recall that Harry Reid was the one who suggested her, implying that he had the votes to confirm].

Conservatives defeated the WH.

Amnesty 2006 was a done deal [it even passed the Republican-controlled Senate].

It was never considered a done deal. The Senate Reps voted 32-23 AGAINST S 2611 and the Dems voted 39-4 FOR it [including Jeffords]. The Rep House would never have approved the bill. It wanted and passed an enforcement first approach.

The point is -- with a massive effort, a Tancredo or a Hunter, etc., would be the nominee. Right now, however, the GOP is split at roughly 20-25% for the top tier candidates, with none having a clear path to the nomination. Each of those factions represent a significant amount of self-interest. Those favoring Giuliani, for example, are miles away from the political philosophy of, say Hunter or Tancredo or even Huckabee. The GOP is splintered and it may not be able to find selectee to unite those 3 or 4 or 5 factions holding most of the convention delegate votes.

Sorry, but the reality is that Hunter and Tancredo are considered one-issue candidates. They really don't have a chance of getting the nomination, especially at this late date. They have absolutely no traction with the voters if you believe any of the polls or their quarterly reports on contributions.

IMO none of the top tier candidates will win enough votes in the primaries to get the nomination on the first ballot. We will see a brokered convention with the nomination going to someone other than Giuliani. Thompson or Romney stand the best chance of capturing the nomination. I don't consider Huckabee to be a conservative candidate, especially his views on immigration and taxation.

51 posted on 10/23/2007 7:46:56 AM PDT by kabar
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To: HockeyPop
Employer penalties is more resourceful a method than a multi billion dollar fence!

You need both. "This situation is unique for the United States and the world. No other First World country has such an extensive land frontier with a Third World country. The significance of the long Mexican-U.S. border is enhanced by the economic differences between the two countries. “The income gap between the United States and Mexico,” Stanford University historian David Kennedy has pointed out, “is the largest between any two contiguous countries in the world.” Contiguity enables Mexican immigrants to remain in intimate contact with their families, friends, and home localities in Mexico as no other immigrants have been able to do."

Until you can change the economic disparity between Mexico and the US and a Mexican government that actually encourages its citizens to come to the US so they can send back billions of dollars, you need to secure the southern border, including erecting physical barriers to reduce manpower requirements to secure the border.

52 posted on 10/23/2007 7:54:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MainFrame65

Don’t disagree with the fact that it has to be hitched to a database.


53 posted on 10/23/2007 8:11:10 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: ontap

That’s too bad———Ford has got to know their involvement in promoting illgals-—even peripherally-—is a huge mistake.


54 posted on 10/23/2007 8:33:52 AM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: shrinkermd
The GOP has Open Borders Republicans Hatch, Bennett and Lugar who are pushing for passage of the mini-amnesty DREAM Act tomorrow. Treason towards our country is NOT solely confined to Democrats. It couldn't be possible without enablers on our side.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

55 posted on 10/23/2007 8:41:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shrinkermd

Business as usual from the libs and the
Republicans has cost the entire nation billions of dollars in money sent across the border over the years; crimes unsolved, because the perpetrators have fled the country; lost American jobs, because the illegals will work for a lesser wage; controlled substances brought over the border promoting drug issues within American culture, etc.

I ain’t talking about paper towels; Bounty please.


56 posted on 10/23/2007 8:45:33 AM PDT by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Bigg Red

Good enough place to bump this thread, thanks for all the pointers to Duncan Hunter.

B4DH


57 posted on 10/23/2007 9:11:49 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: HockeyPop

The point about Hispanics working for Hispanics is that going after that segment of business will not work. Everybody works under the table. On paper, many businesses don’t have any employees. When you have a cash only business, you have no record of employees, income or transactions. No renters, no business license, no contractors license, you don’t exist to the I.R.S. and these guys don’t work cheap. They start off at Home Depot working for $100 a day, tax free and work their way up when they gain experience. When experienced, it is not uncommon for them to make $35 an hour or more, tax free. When they have no apparent income it makes it easy to get section 8 housing and all other public give-aways.
If the I.R.S. would go after these people instead of me they wouldn’t be wasting their time. Tax evasion should be a deportable crime.


58 posted on 10/23/2007 9:54:41 AM PDT by Haddit (Hunter)
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To: Haddit

I never thought about the IRS’ responsibility. Just think how an employer is going to react after the first few test cases go through the tax courts. Hell hath no fury like the IRS.


59 posted on 10/23/2007 10:11:44 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: MrB

That’s my favorite cartoon! hilarious

“You coveteth my ice cream bar!!”


60 posted on 10/23/2007 12:10:00 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My dog has worms, so I named him Scooter.)
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