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Origin of Vision Discovered
LiveScience ^ | 10/18/07 | Andrea Thompson

Posted on 10/22/2007 9:07:09 PM PDT by LibWhacker

You are reading these words right now because 600 million years ago, an aquatic animal called a Hydra developed light-receptive genes—the origin of animal vision.

It wasn't exactly 20-20 vision back then though.

Hydras, a genus of freshwater animals that are kin to corals and jellyfish, measure only a few millimeters in diameter and have been around for hundreds of millions of years.

Scientists at the University of California, Santa Barbara studied the genes associated with vision (called opsins) in these tiny creatures and found opsin proteins all over their bodies.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


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KEYWORDS: hydra; origin; precambrian; vision
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To: XeniaSt
The only one I never got was Frau Blücher and the horses until it was explained that Blucher is GLUE in German and of cause the horses did not want to hear about a glue factory.

Really - now it makes sense

Thanks for that tidbit - I truly feel a bit more enlighten today (I am not being sarcastic)

261 posted on 10/24/2007 1:05:29 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
XS>The only one I never got was Frau Blücher and the horses until it was explained that Blucher is GLUE in German and of cause the horses did not want to hear about a glue factory.

Really - now it makes sense

Thanks for that tidbit - I truly feel a bit more enlighten today (I am not being sarcastic)

261 posted on 10/24/2007 2:05:29 PM MDT by Last Visible Dog

There is a lot more to the story. Young Frankenstein
Every time Frau Blücher's name is mentioned, horses are
heard whinnying. Many people believe the point of the joke to
be that Blücher is German for "glue." This belief has been
identified as an urban legend, though in a 2000 interview
Brooks suggested that he did base the joke on this erroneous
translation, which he had heard from someone.

262 posted on 10/24/2007 1:18:30 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Last Visible Dog
What created gravity?

Gravity is the observed effect of the curving of spacetime around an object of mass.

263 posted on 10/24/2007 1:19:10 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: null and void
Ping

264 posted on 10/24/2007 1:21:16 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: exit82
I couldn’t get past the first statement—as if anyone was around 600 million years ago to see this......

I agree. And they say evolutionists don't rely on faith!? Ha ha
265 posted on 10/24/2007 1:21:58 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: Last Visible Dog

If you want to understand why crystals form, I suggest you enroll in a crystallography class at your local college. Crystalline formation is governed by well-understood chemical and physical properties, and I probably wouldn’t do it justice.


266 posted on 10/24/2007 1:24:37 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Last Visible Dog

Mass


267 posted on 10/24/2007 2:06:47 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Gravity is the observed effect of the curving of spacetime around an object of mass.

Was gravity created (something from nothing), did it "evolve over time" from nothingness (something from nothing), or did it always exist (it just is)?

Oh - the dilemma!

268 posted on 10/24/2007 2:28:12 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

Gravity is a function of the existence of mass in spactime and has existed since the very beginning of the universe.


269 posted on 10/24/2007 2:38:01 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
If you want to understand why crystals form, I suggest you enroll in a crystallography class at your local college.

Nice cop out - I see you choose to ignore the foundational philosophic question that we all must grapple with...please point me to the college that teaches of the origin of chemical and physical properties.

Crystalline formation is governed by well-understood chemical and physical properties, and I probably wouldn’t do it justice.

Alter Kaker - THINK! Chemical and physical properties can't do anything, they are devoid of the facilities to do anything - read your definition of gravity "Gravity is the observed effect" - just like chemical and physical properties - they just are...observations. Did the crystals magically pop into existence one day with all their chemical and physical properties - did crystal matter "evolve over time" or do you choose they "just are" explanation?

270 posted on 10/24/2007 2:41:05 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Alter Kaker
>>In real life, people are convicted every day of the week for crimes for which there was no eye witness and no confession.<<

Absolutely true!

And to continue to use it as an analogy in this thread, people are convicted every day of the week for crimes they didn't commit.

If you get my drift. ;)

271 posted on 10/24/2007 2:45:54 PM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
Nice cop out - I see you choose to ignore the foundational philosophic question that we all must grapple with...please point me to the college that teaches of the origin of chemical and physical properties.

Crystals don't form because of their philosophy, they form because of chemical and physical laws.

Did the crystals magically pop into existence one day with all their chemical and physical properties

No, they crystalized when uniform substances (usually a fluid) solidified.

did crystal matter "evolve over time"

I don't understand the question.

272 posted on 10/24/2007 2:47:52 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: null and void
Mass

What created mass - (answer: the pilgrims)

Do you consider mass a priori? If so, why? Mass is a property of a three dimensional world - did the world start out as a one or two dimensional world and evolve into three - did it always exist with these properties or did it evolve or was it created?

This is similar to claiming the history of the United States in the history of mankind....you are starting in the middle

273 posted on 10/24/2007 2:50:09 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Alter Kaker
Crystals don't form because of their philosophy, they form because of chemical and physical laws.

Who claimed crystals formed because of their philosophy - you still don't get it - crystals can't DO anything including have a philosophy or follow a pattern

274 posted on 10/24/2007 2:52:07 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: LibWhacker

Is this like a joke thread? The article is ridiculous on the face of it.

Sure, the facts are the facts, but the conclusions? Come on!

“They’re trying to find themselves an audience. Their deductions need applause.” — Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway


275 posted on 10/24/2007 2:54:23 PM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Last Visible Dog

I’m claiming no such things. Only that mass is observably related to gravity.

In much the same way I could assert that US jurisprudence and the Constitution are intertwined.


276 posted on 10/24/2007 2:55:20 PM PDT by null and void (Franz Kafka would have killed himself in despair if he lived in the world we inhabit today.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
What created mass - (answer: the pilgrims)

E = mc2.

Do you consider mass a priori?

No.

Mass is a property of a three dimensional world

Not true.

277 posted on 10/24/2007 2:58:42 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: null and void
These findings, detailed in a recent issue of the online journal PLoS ONE, counter arguments by anti-evolutionists that evolution can only eliminate traits and cannot produce new features, the authors say.

I'm not familiar with the research, but I would be quite surprised if all the priori of the study are shared by anti-evolutionists.

One might as well try to convince a skeptic that space aliens are visiting the earth by detailing some minute aspects of their spaceship design derived from a meticulous scientific study of crop circles. First you need to convince them that the crop circles are actually from space aliens and not from pranksters.

278 posted on 10/24/2007 3:00:24 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: LibWhacker

Some wacky scientist had a nightmare and this became the basis for this paper........it’s all poppycock!


279 posted on 10/24/2007 3:03:23 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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To: Alter Kaker
E = mc2.

An equation created mass - so Einstein created mass - it is amazing that we existed before the creation of mass. You claim mass is not a proir - ok - what created mass...how did the property come into existence? You also claim mass is not a property of a three dimensional world - are you claiming there are one or two dimensional worlds with mass? Where? Show me. Buggs Bunny lives in a two dimensional world - but I think that is imaginary.

280 posted on 10/24/2007 3:14:08 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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