This is the Amazon link to the novel that Steyn refers to that uses "Cold Civil War."
Posted on 10/22/2007 6:40:16 PM PDT by dufekin
Good enough place to bump this thread.
Shades of 1860 indeed.
And 1929, possibly. And in some ways, Spain before their civil war. With some Balkanization tossed in, Aztlan style.
Well put. I've seen an awful lot of this on this very site.
No eagerness here, just dire warnings. A new CW would be a horror beyond imagining, combining elements of Spain in the 1930s and the Balkans of the 1990s. It would be a disaster. Don’t confuse warnings with desire, that is very foolish, similar to accusing the lookout on the Titanic of wanting to hit icebergs.
Rumor is that nader and paul have talked. You may be looking at this from the wrong direction.
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You ever consider Steyn's line of work?
Very. But it feels nice to have coined the phrase 4 years before Gibson and Steyn.
Paul has not committed to supporting the Republican nominee. Indeed, he has sounded like he will not support the nominee unless he gets it.
Last week a FReeper talked about VP Cheney and the military seizing control if we have another contested election in 2008.
Over the years I've seen FReepers sound confident that the military would disobey orders from the government to take a stand with "righteous Christians" in a second civil war.
It's insanity. And it's this eagerness from both sides that has me worried.
“Many here on FR allude to a looming type of civil war, that society has fractured along invisible fault lines, some dealing with reality and some dealing with rabid liberalism, some along the lines of failed Socialist policies that are trying to be resurrected, even after their utter failure has been exposed.
“In American history this fractionalization of political thought reminds me of 1860, when the fissures of the body politic became deep, undeniable and irreversible.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1882512/posts?page=24#24
John Titor anyone?
Not that I believe Mr. Titor (or whomever), but it seems this whole idea of a CW in America’s future is not new.
1860 is the not yet by five or ten. This coming election could be a Kansas 1855.
Thanks for the link.
That’s some view of the future.
And entirely plausible, too.
There is definitely a Balkanization of America going on. And it is doubly disheartening that BOTH political parties are pushing it—as if they will be immune from the consequences somehow.
And 1929, possibly. And in some ways, Spain before their civil war. With some Balkanization tossed in, Aztlan style.
***Throw in Revelation Chapt13, and it’s like reading tomorrow’s newspaper.
You were ahead of your time.
“Cold Civil War” is such an apt description.
I agree about the eagerness issue - it’s insane for anyone to actually WANT a civil war, considering how bloody our first one was, and that the second will likely be even worse.
As for where the military would put its loyalty, in 1936 Spain and 1973 Chile, they did turn against their respective governments. Then again, there are other cases where the military stood by a liberal regime. We won’t know until it happens, and hopefully it won’t have to come to that.
To make 2008=1860, though, there would need to be two strong challengers to the "major" candidates, and I don't believe Nader OR Paul fill the bill. Furthermore, the left-wing moonbats know very well that Hillary is one of them.
If the GOP nominates a socon, then I think there will be a GOP liberal-RAT conservative "unity" ticket (think Bell-Everett), and there MAY be a right-wing Nader equivalent, as well (think Breckenridge). If the GOP nominates a liberal, there will be a conservative insurgency.
My main point is that the current party system and the increasingly entrepreneurial nature of running for office cannot stand the stresses that are going to be put on it between now and November 2008.
You’ve piqued my interest.
Can you expand on that view? I’m very interested, and I admit, my memory of the pre-Civil War Kansas situation is sketchy.
It's patriotic to be a traitor.
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