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To: DoughtyOne

If you are talking about the primaries then fine.

In the general election under no circumstance can we let Hillary win. This was a unanimous comment tonight at the debate.

More important to me than all of the policy issues which I would think would be disasterous, is the issue of corruption. Look at Doug from Upland’s threads on FR. Look at Hillary’s current fundraising - Hsu, chinese dishwashers each spending $1,000 - $2,000 bucks and there is no difference with the past. Corruption trumps all issues for me.

I hope that you do understand what a disaster Hillary would be. At the very least, a possibility of Hillary becoming president should be very frightening and your thoghts should be that we can’t let this happen under any circumstances.

When the Republican nominee is named, I will becoming after every conservative (thru discussion) that will not support the nominee (the effect of which is to support Hillary in some way).

Right now it is premature as we have not nominated anyone. Perhaps Rudy will not be nominated. I will be making the point to all conservatives that in this election against Hillary we must support the Republican nominee. I do not care whether you agree right now with this especially since this choice is only hypothetical at this point as it is just the primary season. I understand and respect your doing everything to get your candidate nominated - even to trying to stop Rudy.


82 posted on 10/21/2007 9:41:00 PM PDT by TakeChargeBob
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To: TakeChargeBob
First of all, I understand where you are coming from on this and I don't fault you for your take on it.  What seems like a black and white decision to you, is in fact a complex decision IMO.

You fear that a Hillary Clinton term in office could be the last for freedom in our nation, and I fear that several more administrations like the one we just went through, and we will lose those freedoms anyway.  Let me try to explain why.  Then you can tell me where I have it wrong.

Hillary Clinton is a very dangerous person.  She is an exceptionally good liar.  She has been fraternizing with the Communist Chinese since the 1980s and perhaps even into the 70s.  It is also my opinion that she was involved with the Dixie Mafia back into the 1980s as well.  We could spend hours going back to review the sordid details.  I'm not sure it's worthy of the effort.  Nobody seems to give a rat's ass.  Criminality surrounds the Clintons.  People drop dead around them.  Women were exploited.  Some were likely raped.  Others were viciously beaten.  Bubba displays all the classic traits of a very bad sexual abuser.

His wife knew it.  His staff knew it.  State officals knew it.  The DNC knew it.  Whats more, and this is the important part, the Republican Party knew it.  People in Congress knew it.  People in the Senate knew it.  He was impeached in the House.  In the Senate he was given a free pass by the Republican leadership.

You have to ask yourself what's up with this.  The man (and we're actually talking about his wife too) was exhonerated for land flips, selling state commissions in Arkansas, substance abuse, the abuse of women which was quite extensive, being paid by top generals in China for what was probably extensive access to the top secrets of our nation, in essence espionage.  We're talking treason level activity.  Okay, that's pretty bad isn't it.  Not only were Clinton and company doing all sorts of despicable criminal acts, they were being allowed to skate on all this because the Republicans...  oh yes, why would Republicans allow this?  That's a good question.

As long as attention is focused on the Clintons, nobody wants to focus on what the Repblicans are up to.  Oh they allow the ICC to go into effect because they're too busy with other things.  They're too busy to fix illegal immigration because it's been going on for a long time and we wouldn't want to offend anyone.  They don't fight for limited government any longer.  They propose and pass new great society programs just like Lyndon Johnson did.  He has cost us trillions by now, and our current leader will have cost us untold additional trillions by the time his new plan plays out over the upcoming decades.  We have a school system that is teaching our children not to honor God.  It is also teaching them that the U.S. was and still is a terrible nation, a pariah state.  Our founding fathers and even Christopher Columbus are vilified.  Everything this nation stands for is belittled and trashed.  Our founding fathers are nothing, Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks the real leaders to be admired.  Then the cherry on the ice cream is the teaching of homosexuality in our public schools clear down to the first few grades.  Birth control pills are now given to eleven year olds up north.  The parents don't even have to be notified.  In fact, I doubt they can be.  Privacy issues are very important you know.  And one last thing, children there is no right and wrong.  What really counts is how you feel about yourself.  You can grown up to be the governor or even a president, do all manner of evil things, but as long as you smile and think highly of yourself, that's what really counts and people will admire you.

All this takes place under a Republican President.  He hasn't made so much as a peep about it.  And during the first few years of his presidency, he doubled the budget for the Department of Education.  Healthcare is now provided by nurse practioners on campuses.  We foot that bill.  All the little illegal aliens kids are given health care you and I have to pay for it with our hard earned dollars.

Do you begin to see why it doesn't matter who is really in charge.  We move further left every four years.  We have controlled the Presidency for all but 12 years since 1968.  In thirty-nine years, we have been in control of the White House for 27 years.  We were in contol of Congress and the Senate for ten of those years and couldn't do squat.  We actually took a pass on a Chinese sleeper in the office of the Presidency, rather than show some backbone.

There is now a move to bring the United States, Canada and Mexico under a mutual security agreement.  That mutural security agreement will be the second step toward joining all three nations into one pseudo nation.  Once that is accomplished, the whole of the Americas from the Arctic Circle to the Antarctic, will become one large Free Trade of the Americas Association.  As this is implemented, we will lose our sovereignty one step at a time.  In the end, many of our laws will be so wrapped up in the FTAA agreement, what we will no longer be able to make our own laws without checking with the other nations in the Americas.

I'm not going to bother going into this any further.  Suffice it to say, the Republican party is all for this.  We're not talking about Hillary Clinton here.  We're talking about our own side of the isle selling out the sovereignty of our nation.  I would wager that the Senate will pass the UN LOST treaty and Bush will sign it.  The guy is just one more in a long line of idiot presidents that don't see sovereignty or foreign entanglements as any concern at all.  They are selling us out lock stock and barrel.
The ultimate point of all this, is that we want conservative leaders who will not buy into this.  If we do not take a stand, and take that stand now, these agreements are going to be pushed through.  We will lose our sovereignty and it will be all over except for the wake.

We can go ahead and put someone like Rudy in, someone who is not well grounded and doesn't give a rats ass about sovereignty or other complex issues he won't be called to address until after he is elected.  And when he is in there, he will waffle on these issues and pass them just like Hillary would.

A lot of this would have taken place by now, but there was an unexpected candidate who refused to have the mic he paid for nearly thirty years ago turned off.  Ronald Wilson Reagan wasn't supposed to make it into office.  He did.  He interruped the planned presidency of George Herbert Walker Bush.  This threw a monkey wrench into the works.

We can either wake up to what is going on and throw some more monkey wrenches in, or we can let Hillary or Rudy go ahead and complete the selling out of the United States.

You can vote for Rudy if you like.  You will have convinced yourself that we can't have Hillary in there because she's evil.  You can convince yourself that Rudy is better.  At least he's an "R".  It won't make any difference.  Either we get a true conservative in who truly understand why we shouldn't sell our birthright, or we will see this nation handed over by a leftist.  It will either be their leftist or it will be our leftist.

If we don't elect a Thompson or a Hunter, this nation will  cease to be a sovereign nation.

The last chance we have if a true conservative isn't elected, is to let Hillary in and let her destroy herself.  If we try to block it with our own leftist, it won't matter if she or he does it.  It will be done.

If Hillary gets in and goes postal, we can hope the public picks up on it and cancels her ride.  Otherwise it's simply a done deal.  We either get a consevative in, or we refuse be a party to our own destruction.  And then we hold that bitch's feet to the fire every moment of her term in office.

Look, that's how I see it.  I will not be a party to any more leftist treachery in this nation, and I consider RINOs to be some of the most destructive leftists on the face of planet earth.  They sneak in from our side and then everyone tunes out, prays for them, and allows them to deconstruct conservatism unopposed for four years.  What's worse, if someone wakes up to it, they are called every name in the book simply because they love this nation and won't sit still for what fearless leader is doing.

This administration has practically destroyed conservatism single-handedly.  No, I'm not going to play along like this again.  Bring on the witch.  If we're going to go down, I want a leftist witch to be responsible for it.  Don't let history write that a 'conservative' 'republican' sold us out.  God forbid that ultimate insult.

Give it some thought.  Come to your own conclusion.  Do what you have to do.  Good luck.


178 posted on 10/22/2007 12:05:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Old Chinese Proverb (well sorta) say dance with the one who brung ya. Yes we very much like Crinton.)
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