Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Agree.
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan
“I’d have to say abortion takes a backseat to our economy and foreign policy, sorry.”
And you signed up yesterday to say that?
I FEEL LIKE I AM IN ALICE IN WONDERLAND......
How about putting the blame on the proper people! You are saying that those of us that stand up for what is right will be to blame.
The proper people to blame are the ones that are arguing for Rudy even though they know that a third of the party are heart sick about the prospect.
I agree 100 percent!!!!!!!!!!!!! This by the way is my number one issue!!!!
I can’t tolerate the thought that folks would stay home or skip the Presidential race.
Than the Republicans better not pick Guiliani for the nominee then. I am sick and tired of the tired excuse of “if you don’t vote for Guiliani than you are voting for Hillary” HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And besides I don’t care because the Republicans have lost it not me!
Wow. I checked your sign up date, and I am totally amazed you have lasted for almost a decade on FR! I would have thought you were a plant from DU from the gitgo.
I’m sorry, but several of your views (which you are free to express, America still promotes FRee Speech for now) are NOT conservative. I am starting to wonder how much longer you will want to post here at FR, since we are all ignorant bozos who don’t have a clue what we’re doing, and you are vastly superior to us because you are going to vote for Rudy.
If Rudy wins the nomination, allowing Hillary to win by not voting for Rudy would enable her to appoint very liberal judges to the supreme court. This will impact any future pro-life Presidents actions towards ending abortion. There in lies the danger with a non-vote for Rudy, as these are lifetime appointments. Sure it would be a vote on principle, but the underlying consequences are overall counterproductive to the anti-abortion movement.
I disagree. There are many things more important than life.
Self-sacrifice. Loyalty. Freedom. Faith. Martyrdom.
I disagree! What good is all of this if we are killing off babies.
Take, for example, the abortion procedure called Dilatation and Evacuation (D&E). Through this procedure, the child is dismembered within the womb. Hern describes the procedure at various stages of pregnancy, starting at 13 weeks. I quote here from the section "21 to 24 Weeks Fetal Age":
"The procedure changes significantly at 21 weeks because the fetal tissues become much more cohesive and difficult to dismember. This problem is accentuated by the fact that the fetal pelvis may be as much as 5cm in width. The calvaria [head] is no longer the principal problem; it can be collapsed. Other structures, such as the pelvis, present more difficulty….A long curved Mayo scissors may be necessary to decapitate and dismember the fetus…"(p.154).
Another abortionist, Martin Haskell, describes the same procedure. The following words are from court testimony. Please note that he was testifying as an expert witness about legal activity.
"Let's just say for instance we took a different view, a different tact and we left the leg in the uterus just to dismember it. Well, we'd probably have to dismember it at several different levels because we don't have firm control over it, so we would attack the lower part of the lower extremity first, remove, you know, possibly a foot, then the lower leg at the knee and then finally we get to the hip."
"When the abortion procedure is started we typically know that the fetus is still alive because either we can feel it move …or…we actually see a heartbeat as we're starting the procedure. It's not unusual at the start of D&E procedures that a limb is acquired first and that that limb is brought through the cervix …prior to disarticulation and prior to anything having been done that would have caused the fetal demise."
"When you're doing a dismemberment D&E usually the last part to be removed is the skull itself and it's floating free inside the uterine cavity…like a ping-pong ball floating around … Finally … a nip is made out of some area of the skull that allows it to start to decompress. And then once that happens typically the skull is brought out in fragments rather than as a unified piece, the result being that sharp bony edges of the skull are exposed” (US District Court for the Western District of Wisconsin, Case No. 98-C-0305-S).
America will reject abortion once she realizes just what it really is.
Perhaps you could focus on Hildy’s points with reasoned arguments instead of insulting graphics.
I lurked here for many years before I registered and have seen the scope and character of the discussions change — there is good reason to show some respect FR’s early members.
May I ask you something is a respectful way?
As a Brit - our policy as you’re aware if far more liberal.
I am pretty undecided on the matter, so perhaps you and others could educate me, because it’s an important issue and I would go no where else but FR to get the right information.
By being pro life, does this mean you are opposed to abortions at any period? Just a matter or weeks in? Is it the case in your opinion that when a women is pregnant, that that is it, the child must be born? (of course as you would make clear, depending on the obvious circumstances)
I watched a documentary on this the other day, and I was utterly horrified - they are literally aborting babies at the same period that babies are being born and have a survival rate of over 50%. That for me is criminal, and in fact murder. It showed some rather graphic footage that certainly has played on my mind.
I certainly am now of the opinion that no abortions should take place after and including week 17, but what can you tell me to convince me that I should change that position?
As abhorrent as abortion is, there is nothing in the Constitution which would prohibit it. In the same vein, as repulsive as homosexual acts are, there is no Constitutional prohibition.
Those self-proclaimed guardians of Conservatism would do well to be more honest and principled in their positions and claim the Bible as their touchstone rather than the U.S. Constitution.
al gore was “pro-life” once, wasn’t he?
That’s why it was said early on that we should select a non-RINO in the primaries, and avoid this mess altogether. We can do better than settle for someone who is pro-choice and pro-gun control and pro-gay marriage. We do not have to settle in the stinkin’ primaries.
The Constitution's Preamble (or premise)
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
In case you don't know how to find a dictionary, let me inform you that the word "posterity" refers to those who are not yet born.
The Fifth Amendment (the heart of the original Bill of Rights):
No person shall be...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...
That means charged, tried, and convicted on a capital offense. How is it possible for a child in the womb to be guilty of a capital offense?
The Fourteenth Amendment:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Do you agree with Blackmun that a child in the womb is not a "person"? Even he, in the text of Roe, admitted that if the babe in the womb were a person, that they were therefore protected by the Fourteenth Amendment:
A. The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a "person" within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well-known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment.
Tens of millions of American children have been brutally done to death because of the stupid lie that a child in the womb is not a person. And the slaughter continues every day because of the gross ignorance of ignoramus' like you.
I did exactly the same thing. I voted for Keyes in the primaries, and Bush in the general election. I’m inclined to vote for Fred or Huckabee.
Vote *for* who you want in the primaries. Vote *against* who you don’t want in the general election.
I know from first-hand experience that every life is precious. I was conceived out of wedlock and after two weeks of considering abortion my mother decided to tell my father. My father stepped to the plate and said, “Then we better get married.” They still are and as a result this country has another rocket scientist (me), and my two brothers- a teacher and a carpenter. IMHO, we are all very worthwhile individuals.
You are either ignorant or you are lying.
The Declaration of Independence makes it clear that we are endowed by God, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness," the Constitution's Preamble states that its purpose is to, "Secure the Blessings of Liberty." Amendments 5 and 14 make it perfectly clear that a person's life cannot be taken without due process.
Those self-proclaimed guardians of Conservatism would do well to be more honest and principled in their positions and claim the Bible as their touchstone rather than the U.S. Constitution.
No, liberals would do well either adopt conservatism or else find another forum more suited to their leftist agenda.
I’m forty, what does that have to do with the fact that you enjoy the slaughter of infants?
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