Can I ask you what you expect non-smokers to do?
Seriously, do you want them to open up new restaurants across the state so that they can eat without having to come home stinking like a trashfire? Are they supposed to forget about going to chain resturants?
Do you think it’s okay for them to have to send their clothes to the cleaners every time after they eat out?
Do you think elderly people should be banned from restaurants? What about kids? What about people with asthma? What about people with COPD?
Do you think it is more reasonable to allow some to stink up the place rather than share the space then smoke outside?
Do you consider non-smokers to be the real rude ones?
For the life of me, I just don’t understand people who smoke. Everyone has to cater to them. They trow their trash all over the gound. They burn stuff down. They go to sleep with a cigarette in their mouths killing themselves, family members and neighbors. They start forest fires.
They go outside to smoke, take that one last puff then return inside to exhale. Then they notice their coworkers glaring at them and say, “What?”
I don’t care if folks want to smoke. I just don’t happen to be a person that would stick it to everyone else in the state just because I chose to develop a filthy stinking habbit and didn’t have the class to think of others once in a while.
It is equal when both parties enter a building so that the other can enjoy the experience. It is not equal when one set of people light up and defy others to stop them.
Honest to God, does smoking really affect your judgement to the extent that you think the state should build non-smoking venues across it’s landscape, simply because you won’t share the clean air with others?
Just damn!
Can I ask you what you expect non-smokers to do? Seriously, do you want them to open up new restaurants across the state so that they can eat without having to come home stinking like a trashfire?
That's a good start. Where's the problem there? The anti's would skreech like Hillary on a program cut if someone proposed opening a restaurant which explicitly catered to smokers and the reason is that a restaurant opened as such would become chic and cool and pretty soon non smokers would be going and wanting to once again screw up a good thing.
You don't have some kind of right to eat at a private smoke free establishment in any world which honored the Constitution and the right to free association. There are these things called "stoves" and "cookbooks" you know...
Do you consider non-smokers to be the real rude ones?
I consider non-smokers who think that they have a right to impose their will upon the proprietor of an eating establishment to be the rude ones. It kills me that there are non-smokers who'll bitch about smoke in eating establishments but won't pony up the time and effort to open their own establishment or the capital to invest in one that follows their ideology. Noooo, they have to run to Ma Government to find a fix and that makes me want to puke...
For the life of me, I just don’t understand people who smoke. Everyone has to cater to them. They trow their trash all over the gound. They burn stuff down. They go to sleep with a cigarette in their mouths killing themselves, family members and neighbors. They start forest fires.
Oh C'mon Dough, you can't tar every member of that group any more than you can tar everyone who drinks etc... as some highway mayhem generating neer'do well. That's just weak. If you see someone smoking who throws their butts on the ground, step up to the plate and chastize them. As for fires, sheesh, lets ban space heaters and lightning for pete's sake...
Honest to God, does smoking really affect your judgement to the extent that you think the state should build non-smoking venues across it’s landscape, simply because you won’t share the clean air with others?
I don't smoke, used to, but I'm not one of those crusaders who, upon quitting, became miserable and deemed it my personal mission to make sure everyone else who continues to pursue something I gave up becomes just as miserable and petty as I am (and that mentality covers a hell of a lot more peoples reactions to stuff than just smoking).
What I AM is someone who understands freedom, including that of association and business. A non smoker doesn't have some "right" to have any given restaurant be smoke free, especially as decreed by the long arm of the state. You can ask restaurants to go smoke free, you can start your own restaurants, or you can capitalize those who would start them and have them smoke free but to demand that the government step in and force PRIVATE business owners to conduct business based on the desires of some SPECIAL group is loathsome and pathetic and fitting of more of democrats and socialists than of anyone who calls themselves a conservative...
What about MY property rights??? I'm sick and tired of cleaning up cigarette butts in front of my house. Every week I'm out there sweeping them up. Would anyone here think about tossing a piece of trash on someone else's property? Smokers don't think twice about it. A hundred cigarette butts add up, trust me. Can someone explain to me why many, not all, smokers think it is okay to litter? I knew a chain smoker who lived near me. I actually respected the guy because at least he had the decency to carry an empty coke can with him wherever he went instead of stomping the butts out on the ground or tossing them out the car window on the highway. Would anyone here just think about tossing a fast-food bag out the window while driving down the highway? Smokers toss lit butts out the window on the highway ALL the time. If smokers want more rights and respect, they should at least observe some basic rules of etiquette and stop littering everywhere.
I don’t smoke but my wife does.
You could do like we have to do here now.
we only go to places which allow smoking under TN’s new ban.....bars, outside, 21 and older clubs and bars with food.
it should be up to the restaurants, if they feel they want smoking then they can and folks like you can just not go
and vice versa...some were already banning smoking here
likewise....I disagree that completely separate areas with walls and door enclosure and adequate ventilation don’t separate smokers from non-smokers...that too should suffice
You bring up asthma.....well, my two oldest boys are allergic to dogs...bigtime....I cannot take them to parks near dogs...should that ban folks from bringing their dogs to parks? no
if a restaurant decides to accommodate smokers that should be it
it’s the usual slippery slope.
it all started 3 decades ago with smoking sections and now look........some cities ban smoking in public parks...ridiculous
it never ends
we have five kids....we like to go out alone or with friends when we can....my wife likes to unwind and drink and smoke during the eating out for dinner time......all this nanny state garbage really puts a dent in out down time
used to be we could go to Mortons or Palm or Ruth’s Chris and enjoy some wine and decent food and she could smoke in separate smoking section....
now...we hear Mortons is going to seal off their bar area separate with only door access