Posted on 10/19/2007 6:51:06 PM PDT by RedRover
Here is Lt Gen James N Mattis official biography from the USMC
” http://www.usmc.mil/genbios2.nsf/0/35E4CF7347323B108525680800620EED?opendocument “
ps: hard to believe he ordered the Court Martial trials to proceed...The original Indictment cited here on FR a couple of nights ago is very long, very detailed, and has conflicting testimony..I would hope that Gen. Mattis’ only reason for ordering the Trials to continue is to play it by the book and have a military Courts Martial Board convene to review the case, then he will review the results of that Boards’ rulings. If he is a fair man and above political pressure, hopefully he will do the right thing.
I know, Lancey, those same thoughts have crossed my mind. I just hope we're both wrong. Hopefully, we're missing something, damn.
Tomorrow there be more dragons.
"I'll be on WRKO's Pundit Review Radio Sunday at 7pm (680am if you're in the area or you can get it through internet streaming) participating in the first interview CPL Justin Sharatt has given about the [Haditha] incident. We've spoken to Justin's father Darrell a couple of times, but this will be the first time Justin has spoken out (and if I'm not mistaken he's out of the Marine Corps now). It should be an interesting show. The irony of all this is Sharatt's comgressional Rep is the one and only JOHN MURTHA. (!!!)"
No. A Court Martial is simply a trial. It is a military (martial) trial court. Therefore, they call it a court martial.
These Marines have had their pre-trial hearing (Art 32), and now they are going to their actual trial.
This is, nonetheless, a sad thing. There is nothing irrational in the belief that it is being done for political reasons. The command influence in this case has made it impossible ever to believe that these Marines have done anything wrong.
Thank you for the ping, g’nad.
Please ping me to this story?
Chessani said he never ordered a formal investigation because he believed the deaths resulted from lawful combat.
And Tatum did what he was trained to do.
I predict that Chessani & Tatum will both be exonerated just like all the rest.
“America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war; America is at the mall.”
Semper Fi,
Kelly
Thank you, g’nad. Please tell the lieutenant colonel that the entire country has not gone crazy, that we believe in him, will pray for him, and will support him to the end.
I'll post the WRKO interview as well (unless someone else bets me to it, which they're welcome to do!)
I wonder if Murtha had kept his mouth shut if that wouldn't have been the case.
And I wonder if these court martials are a way of letting a powerful Democrat save face.
All those videos on the net of AC-130’s taking out crowds of people, F-16’s taking out crowds of people, houses with women and children...how come those PILOTS aren’t charged with murdering innocents but these Marines who get shot in the face entering buildings do??
You have our prayers, Mom. We need to revive our fund-raising efforts as well. I know it must feel like the world has crash-landed on your heads. I hope we can lift at least some of that weight.
Since Tatum is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, how much you want to bet that Mattis recommends involuntary manslaughter for Wuterich instead of negligent homicide?
So far, at least, no one has been charged with what Murtha said happened: cold-blooded murder.
I think you’re right—unless Mattis does what the prosecution wants and goes for murder charges. In way, that would be much easier for the defense.
I don’t know, Chick. I was surprised Mattis recommended this go forward to trial. But I was really surprised that he upped the charges to involuntary manslaughter vs. what was recommended for Wuterich (negligent homicide).
I think Tatum’s original charges were for two murders in house #2 and four “unlawfully killed” from house 1. I’m not sure if he was also charged with “assault” on the two children that survived house 1. Red, correct me if I’m wrong here.
So are the two murders reduced to involuntary manslaughter, the “unlawfully killed” charges reduced to reckless endangerment, and the aggravated assault for the two surviving children? The press release doesn’t spell it out.
Yeah, exactly so.
I believe it is because of a contextual difference.
One is the nameless, faceless, impersonal war machine grinding bodies under its wheels. The way it is presented makes it much easier to ignore, less comprehensible. A group endeavor.
The other is personal, it has a name, a face, and is presented as cold and calculated, individual.
In a society raised on television, etc., where murder gets lots of air time, it is more comprehensible, more easily digested.
And don’t you want your thinking done for you?
Whoever controls the media, controls the mind.
Charge I: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 118 (Unpremeditated murder) (Maximum punishment: such punishment other than death as a court-martial may direct. [Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, confinement for life])
Specification 1: did murder Noor Salim Rasif.
Specification 2: did murder Zainab Unes Salim.
Charge II: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 134 (Negligent Homicide) (Maximum punishment: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, confinement for 3 years)
Specification 1: did unlawfully kill Abdul Hameed Husin Ali.
Specification 2: did unlawfully kill Guhid Abdalhamid Hasan.
Specification 3: did unlawfully kill Asmaa Salman Rasif, also known as Asamaa Salman Rasif.
Specification 4: did unlawfully kill Abdullah Waleed Abdul Hameed, also known as Abdullah Waleed Abdul.
Charge III: Violation of the UCMJ, Article 128 (Assault) (Maximum punishment: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 8 years)
Specification: did commit an assault upon Eman Waleed Al Hameed and Abid Al Rahman Waleed Al Hameed.
“The captions are not up to date.”
You’re right - Just how do you label someone who cut a deal to tell the truth in exchange for immunity “cleared” ?
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