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GOP Presidential Candidates Woo 'Values Voters'
Fox News ^ | 19 October 2007 | Major Garrett

Posted on 10/19/2007 4:26:36 PM PDT by shrinkermd

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To: hocndoc
(BTW, I’m here at the Washington Briefing.)

Hey! Did you see Alan Keyes?

No?

Oh, that's right. They didn't invite him. Didn't even put him in their straw poll. They had room for Hillary and Obama, Giuliani and Romney, but not Alan Keyes.

What a charade.

21 posted on 10/20/2007 7:08:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think the invitations went out a few months ago. Are you sure that the Ambassador wasn’t invited at all?


22 posted on 10/20/2007 10:40:45 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: hocndoc

Oh, I’m sure.


23 posted on 10/20/2007 10:44:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: hocndoc

As to “the invitations going out a few months ago,” Fred Thompson got in the race the same week as Alan Keyes, and Rudy Giuliani only accepted their invitation a few days ago. So, those arguments, held up in the light of reality, don’t wash.


24 posted on 10/20/2007 10:46:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: hocndoc; Gelato; Waywardson; MountainFlower; Taxman; RachelFaith; Delphinium; joanie-f
Did you ever think you'd see the day when our Christian conservative "leaders" would give the most liberal Governor in America's history, Mitt Romney, and a former NYC Mayor who once called Margaret Sanger a "hero," Rudy Giuliani, not only a platform to lie to the American people, but standing ovations after they told those lies?

Maybe those who argue that we are in the last days are on to something.

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..." - 2 Thessalonians 2:3

25 posted on 10/20/2007 10:54:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance

I know that I wasn’t surprised when Thompson officially entered the race, but I was when Dr. Keyes entered.

I talked to Dr. Keyes at the Texas Alliance for Life banquet on the 9th, assuming that he would be at this meeting.

Seriously the results were so skewed by the off site voting that they don’t mean anything other than that some of Romney’s and Paul’s people voted on line.
http://frcaction.org/

Here’s the onsite voting results

Mike Huckabee 488 51.26%
Mitt Romney 99 10.40%
Fred Thompson 77 8.09%
Tom Tancredo 65 6.83%%
Rudy Giuliani 60 6.30%
Duncan Hunter 54 5.67%
John McCain 30 3.15%
Sam Brownback 26 2.73%
Ron Paul 25 2.63%


26 posted on 10/20/2007 6:27:41 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: hocndoc

The Texas event was a great one. I think it was one of the most successful that Texas Alliance for Life has ever had.


27 posted on 10/20/2007 6:34:20 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: hocndoc

The only meaning the straw poll has is that they didn’t even have the decency to include Dr. Keyes. It’s shameful.


28 posted on 10/20/2007 6:36:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t know whether it’s “shameful” or a shame. Could have been forgetfulness or someone dropped the ball. Event though I’m unhappy with the way the poll was run and don’t have the least bit of confidence in the results, I see clutziness, not maliciousness in the whole event.


29 posted on 10/20/2007 6:42:39 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: hocndoc

I wish you were right.

But I know for a fact that you’re not.


30 posted on 10/20/2007 7:12:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance

I can be optimistic about your believability, too. It’s just that I’m dealing with an unknown person or persons posting under a pseudonym vs an organization made up of people with whom I’ve met and worked.

Personally, I wish all but the top 3 or 4 would drop out, allowing us to focus our energies on those. Dr. Keyes should have shown up as a regular attendee, like the rest of us (only with his own security). He could have/would have had a welcoming audience. And he could have joined Phyllis Schlaffly and Laura Ingraham. I was impressed with their absolutely unapologetic speeches - as well as the fact that they were given a forum to say that they are not in the mood to put up with pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-family, antigun “Republican” candidates. They gave us an opportunity to applaud the “right” lines.

I can’t fathom the motive for purposefully skewing this poll one way or another, except to bury the Guiliani votes. (that’s why I clapped every time someone could have been suggesting that we wouldn’t vote for a prochoice candidate - it’s time to scare them, now.)


31 posted on 10/20/2007 7:49:47 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: hocndoc

He’s a presidential candidate, one with decades of hard-earned stripes laboring in the tough part of the fields.

To ask him to just come hang out, without a speaking role, is insulting in the extreme. Especially when you’ve already given your platform and your political capital to leftwingers like Giuliani and Romney.

You’ve got FReepmail.


32 posted on 10/20/2007 7:56:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: hocndoc
Personally, I wish all but the top 3 or 4 would drop out, allowing us to focus our energies on those.

That idea constitutes a terrible disservice to the American people.

Not a single sovereign citizen has cast a vote, and will not for months.

We're not the Soviet Union, where a small clique of Politburo members decide who can be considered candidates, thereby pre-determining the outcome.

Or, maybe we now are...

33 posted on 10/20/2007 8:00:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance

It has nothing to do with “Politboro members,” for pity’s sake.

It’s about saving the Party to prevent 8 years of the growth of totalitarianism like we’ve never known in this country. More than during Roosevelt’s tenure and even more than during the last Clinton regime.

(If you believe that I’m over reacting, look at the limits Pelosi has put on debate and amendments in the House. Add in the cameras that have been erected on street corners and highways. Look at the grip that gay-rights, atheism and scientism have on the media, science reporting and the blogosphere. Worse, look at the way the discussions on this forum about whether Mormonism is Christianity have ripped the foundations from under less thoughtful believers and provided fuel for those atheists and anti-religionists. I’ve just spent the weekend taxing back and forth between the “bioethicists” and the “value voters.” I’ll take the least thoughtful among the latter over the clique that runs the former.)

I would have the men choose to withdraw on their own, for the good of the Party. Then, they could work as guiding statesmen. Or gadflies if necessary.

Imagine the stand that these honorable men could take as self-sacrificing, as giving up their runs at the Presidency to stand for unity and the core values we hold in common. (Even Guiliani proved he understands what those values are - if he doesn’t understand *why* - on Saturday.)

The limits imposed by campaign finance laws would be lifted the second they withdrew (and that topic alone would provide a few sound bites). They could speak at venues like the TAL banquet for the right and truth, rather than being restrained by their potential partisanship.

I dispute the assertion that speaking as Mrs. Schlaffly did - or to attend on his on dime as so many, including my husband, did (spending money for a hotel room and a full day each way in airports and on airplanes) - is insulting or demeaning. It would have been the ultimate act of resistance toward the would-be “Politboro.”

Flip, even I was interviewed - by a Japanese television reporter - in the lobby outside the auditorium.


34 posted on 10/22/2007 1:41:37 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: hocndoc
I dispute the assertion that speaking as Mrs. Schlaffly did

He was NOT invited to do so.

35 posted on 10/22/2007 7:13:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Somebody really goofed in that, I’m sorry.


36 posted on 10/23/2007 7:50:48 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: hocndoc

It was no “goof.” It was done quite deliberately, with full knowledge. Of that, I’m positive, because I made sure they knew exactly what they were doing every step of the way.


37 posted on 10/24/2007 1:37:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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