WashPost Fact Checker Goes Deep on Judge's Decision regarding "An Inconvenient Truth"

Washington Post | October 17-18, 2007 | Michael Dobbs

[cogitator]

Context: last Friday, same day as when Gore and the IPCC received the Peace Nobel, the WashPost put out a "Fact Checker" article about the UK decision regarding the showing of AIT in schools. They got a lot of responses, in the blog and in the blogosphere.

Because of this, the Fact Checker published a follow-up, and a response from "Team Gore". The links are below; I can't post them due to source restrictions, and to read them in entirety you probably have to register.

I'm posting these for information only. There has been a lot of discussion about this, obviously. While I will certainly comment on other aspects of the topic, I won't participate in extended discussion on this thread, because it would likely take way too much time. So if you are so inclined, consider these as part of a careful consideration process over the entire issue of global warming and climate change.

In the first comment, I am posting the introduction from "Team Gore Responds".

Finally, regarding the fourth point: I invite interested parties to read point #5 in my profile. It's considerably more in-depth than anything RealClimate has produced on this topic thus far.

An Inconvenient Truth: Part II

An Inconvenient Truth: Team Gore Responds

[cogitator]

"The process of creating a 90-minute documentary from the original peer-reviewed science for an audience of moviegoers in the U.S. and around the world is complex. Vice President Gore has studied this issue for over 30 years. He regularly seeks the advice and feedback of scientists to understand the latest research. It's not easy, even for Ph.D.'s, to explain the concept of the "non-linearity" of the climate system even after decades in their respective fields. Imagine trying to translate that complicated scientific evidence into a clear and compelling message with only a single slide and 20 seconds to make your case. It isn't simple. In many cases, particular points had to be truncated and shortened from the original research. A movie inherently cannot reflect the depth of the science as the 3 volumes of the IPCC and other sources from which it draws. The original science cannot speak to moviegoers. And, as is not made clear by the Fact Checker, the judge stated clearly that he was not attempting to perform "an analysis of the scientific questions" in his ruling."

[Doctor Raoul]

FAct Checker at the Washington Post? Oh My Sides........Bwahahahahaaaaaa!!!

[Shimmer]

If he couldn’t explain it to us unwashed masses, then perhaps he should have foregone the lil movie altogether, hmmm?

[MoMagic]

The WaPo doing its best to polish this turd.

[capt. norm]

Vice President Gore has studied this issue for over 30 years.

No he has NOT!

All the stuff in his books is simply cut & pasted from others.

[weegee]

I’m reminded of another movie’s tagline...

“Keep repeating: It’s only a movie! It’s only a movie! It’s only a movie!”

[Old Professer]

How much of your profile did you write yourself?

You don’t do much bowling, do you?

[capt. norm]

Your theories, including the shrine you built for yourself (profile) are as full of holes as Swiss cheese.

You and Al Gore can go ahead and have your fun. As time proves both of you wrong, I am wondering what your reaction will be.

How long can you go on looking for loopholes, and ignoring many facts. In other words, I am wondering how long and how deep in denial will you sink.

[Yo-Yo]

A movie inherently cannot reflect the depth of the science as the 3 volumes of the IPCC and other sources from which it draws.

A movie can't reflect the difference between AlGore's 20 feet of ocean rising and the IPCC's 20 inches?

[Iconoclast2]

What is most incredible in the materials you have provided is the complete collapse of critical facilities with regard to the CO2 level/warming timing. If temperatures rise first, then CO2, as appears to be the historical record, how well the curves “fit” is entirely irrelevant, since the overall question is one of causation. Could the Fact Checker be so unintelligent as to not perceive this? More likely, he is trying to “polish the turd”.

[Nervous Tick]

Clearly, you have bought into the global warming myth in a big way.

One question for you: do you think the warming trend is so dangerous, and the science is so settled, that there should be no further skepticsm among climate scientists, and that skeptics of all stripes should be treated as dangerous and silenced and ostracized from their communities (whatever their community might be)?

[Zerodown]

Of course Global Warming is this century's answer to The Great South Sea Bubble, or the Tulip Mania, or Internet Stocks.

However, the facts do not really matter here. What matters here is the interpretation of observed facts, the creation of emotionally appealing stories based on the observations, and endless repition of them until they become part of folklore.

Honestly fellas, you would be better off trying to stamp out nursery rhymes. You might as well try and talk to Muslims about Baby Jesus. What the Global Warmers have done (and rather brilliantly) is confuse two concepts in the public mind (Not all that hard, now is it?):

Pollution and Global Warming.
There simply isn't a shred of evidence that the former causes the latter. Global Warming? Yeah, it happens. Why once, Greenland was green and good Christian folk raised cattle there. Wine grapes grew in England. Rising sea levels have obliterated numerous civilizations all around the globe. Global Warming caused the retreat of the glaciers of the Ice Age.

Pollution can be very nasty. It really doesn't cause global warming ... or cooling. One healthy volcanic burp puts more crap in the atmosphere than 3 centuries of industrial development, and can actually kill people, rather than offer them useful work.

Big deal. This argument is over. You can point out that CO2 has got nothing to do with it until you are blue in the face.

That will merely be attributed by Al and the Warmers as yet another symptom of Global Warming.

[Brilliant]

They check the court’s facts, but never bothered to check Al’s? Why, I’m sooooo surprised.

[xjcsa]

The WaPo doing its best to polish this turd.

So is Cogitator.

[Nathan Zachary]

"Imagine trying to translate that complicated scientific evidence into a clear and compelling message with only a single slide and 20 seconds to make your case."

Who placed such "restrictions" on Gore? Why nobody, but Gore himself! If there is "scientific evidence" to explain, you explain it, no matter how many "slides" and minutes you need. The fact of the matter is, Gore's method did a fine job of explaining his "scientfic evidence". The fact of the matter is, when you boil it all down and reduce it into as simple an explanation as possible and it looks like B.S., that's what it was in the first place. Al Gore is not a 'scientist'. Al Gore did not spend 30 years studying the science surrounding the earths climate.

He spend 30 years regurgitating idiotic B.S. and UN world government strategy, Gaea mother earth religion and ways of implementing it. In fact Gore, a fanatic Gaea worshiper, he participated in the carrying of it's "ark of the covenant" ceremony, the official UN launch of the new "one world religion" to replace all others. Climate change fearmongering is one of the methods used to sign up countries to this one world government 'earth charter scam.

Had he studied the science, then he could claim to be somewhat of a scientist. He studied B.S. however, so that makes him a B.S. artist. He studied Liberal elitist idiocy, which makes him an idiot. He studied UN Marxist on world government strategy and how to destroy the US constitution and sign the USA up to be governed by unelected, elitist UN marxists, which makes him a traitor.

[sourcery]

Basic References:

• Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming: Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears
• The Year the Global Warming Hoax Died
• Hostages to a hoax
• Water Experts Find Earth’s Warming, Rainfall Linked to Sun
• Global Warming and Solar Radiation
• Milankovitch Cycles and Glaciation
• The Myth of Dangerous Human-Caused Climate Change (PDF)
• Up against the warming zealots
• When Physics Trumps Hysteria in Global Warming
• Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics (PDF)
• Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
• Carbon dioxide did not end the last Ice Age
• Global Warming: Forecasts by Scientists versus Scientific Forecasts
• Geophysical, archeological and historical evidence support a solar-output model for climate change (PDF)
• Gamma rays and climate (PDF)
• Temperature vs. Cosmic Ray Flux
• Linkages between solar activity, climate predictability and water resource development (PDF)
• Proof on Ice: Southern Greenland Was Once Green; Earth Warmer
• Global Warming and Nature's Thermostat
• The Past and Future of Climate (PDF)
• Global warming is not a crisis
• The Great Global Warming Swindle
• IceCap

Lawrence Solomon's "The Deniers" (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled "Global Warming Deniers"):

• Science, not politics
• Statistics needed
• The original denier: into the cold
• End the chill
• They call this a consensus?
• The limits of predictability
• Unsettled science
• Models trump measurements
• The ice-core man
• The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science
• Polar scientists on thin ice
• The sun moves climate change
• Bright sun, warm Earth. Coincidence?
• Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
• Read the sunspots
• Forget warming - beware the new ice age
• Little Ice Age is still with us
• Fighting climate 'fluff'

Other References:

• An Unrepentant Prognosticator
• Alarmist global warming claims melt under scientific scrutiny
• Global warming 'is good and is not our fault'
• The Global Warming Myth
• Global Warming: A Chilling Perspective
• Strong Evidence Points to Earth's Proximity to Sun as Ice Age Trigger
• THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!
• Father of Climatology Throws Up at the Thought of Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient Truth'
• IPCC Scientists Challenge Al Gore’s View of Global Warming Consensus
• Swedish Scientist Accuses UN's IPCC of Falsifying Data and Destroying Evidence
• CO2 Science
• On the Phenomenon of Atmospheric Backradiation
• Does Man really affect Weather and Climate? Are the Interactions really understood?
• The Thermodynamic Atmosphere Effect - explained stepwise
• Global Warming and Climate Forcing by Recent Albedo Changes on Mars
• Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics
• The Real 'Inconvenient Truth'
• New findings indicate today's greenhouse gas levels not unusual
• Climate Change: Incorrect information on pre-industrial CO2
• Global Warming as a Religion
• I Was On the Global Warming Gravy Train (By David Evans)
• Global Warming: it's not caused by greenhouse gases says academic
• Rising Surface Temperatures Drive Back Winter Ice In Barents Sea, Researchers Findx
• Still Waiting for Greenhouse
• GREENIE WATCH
• Why Global Warming Would be Good for You
• Global Warming Primer (PDF)
• Global Warming: An Official Pseudoscience
• Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming
• Fiddler On The Roof
• Debating Global Warming
• Climate Resistance

Antarctic Temperature Trend 1982-2004:

This map (left) shows key areas of Antarctica, including the vast East Antarctic ice sheet. The image on the right shows which areas of the continent's ice are thickening (coloured yellow and red) and thinning (coloured blue). © (Left)British Antarctic Survey, (Right)Science

[VeniVidiVici]

Mr Science gets the Nobel Piece Prize.

Why am I not surprised?

[capt. norm]

Had he studied the science, then he could claim to be somewhat of a scientist

I've read elsewhere on this forum that Al scored a "D" in his college science course.

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

I’m glad Al Invented the internet so we can check up on him.

[bmwcyle]

To check facts first you have to start with facts.