Posted on 10/18/2007 3:39:56 PM PDT by wagglebee
I would think all the Romney-haters on FR could better spend their time hating and obsessing against Rudy Guliani rather than Mitt Romney, who by logical estimates, is fairly conservative.
I am perplexed as to why a small percentage of Freepers seem to hate Romney, yet seemingly could care less that Guliani might be verge of splitting the GOP in two.
Not that I necessarily believe the pro-guliani polls, but just the fact that a Guliani candidacy could be possible is enough to send shivers down my spine.
If Guiliani wins the presidency, I don't even think I want to log on to FR the following day.
Every election I hear the same thing: the “values voters” stayed home this year, if only they’d voted, blah blah blah.
I’m wondering if they ever, in fact, vote at all.
If economic and security conservatives think they can win without very high percentage of those 36 million votes, they're in denial.
Republicans win when all three legs of the stool are motivated to get out and vote. That's the fact of the matter.
I wouldn't expect those who self identify as economic/security conservatives to vote for an economic liberal or security mushhead. Somehow there seems to be a lack of reciprocity for Evangelical social conservatives. Why do you suppose that is?
I think if the internet can spread the word voter to voter, we can bump Rudy G.
no Giuliani = NO PROBLEM
...where they'll be told to shut up and vote as they're told.
Remember how Dole ran right for the primaries, and then hard center as soon as he had the nomination in the bag? He wouldn’t even read the platform of his own party.
If Rudy gets the nod, we won’t have a seat at the table. We won’t be allowed in the room. He’ll run as “Hillary Plus Experience”.
Arnold Redux.
bttt
That’s a vote I agree with.
My question was asked in earnest, but obviously you aren’t the one to direct it to.
BTW, for what’s it’s worth, I agree that my obligation is to the Almighty long before it’s to the GOP.
Good article. If it comes down to a liberal vs. a liberal, I can promise you I won’t vote for the liberal.”
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And neither will I....(and so say my friends as of this posting...!)
I doubt you'll have to worry about that. I hate to say it but in my heart I believe that Hillary is going to be our next president regardless of who the Republicans nominate. The Democrats are energized and the Republican base is fractured and uninspired.
On that cold Wednesday morning next November, Free Republic will have come full-circle. We'll be back to posting about the latest (of many) Clinton presidential scandals and this forum will be one big happy family again.
I think you have it just about right. It seems the ‘social conservatives’ are taking a longer view of circumstances. We may have to loose in ‘08 in order to have a chance in ‘12. The conservatives will simply say we need the republican party to be republican in it positions. If 2 liberals are offered, one on each of the parties, many, many, many will vote 3rd party or simpy not vote. A 2% third party response will preserve the party to fight another day for conservative isssues. If not, a third party will be born and the republican party will assume a 3rd party status in perpituity. It is important not to elect Rudy of Romney in the primaries. To those who have the tempertantrum that the singular issue around which we must rally is the defeat of Hiltlery is not enough. We have to stand for something. It seems a straight forward choice. Hitlerys’ election may be determined in the Republican Primaries. Romney and Rudy will fare no better than the senator from Kansas did.
It’s been so long since a party convention actually selected a presidential nominee that we almost dismiss the reality that that primaries might not send anyone to the convention with enough delegates to have nomination already locked up.
With Thompson, Romney and Giuliani almost certain to win states, and maybe even McCain and a favorite son or two, we could have such a convention. The bunched up primaries make it even more likely since there won’t be as many weeks for candidates to build upon their successes and do better during the next round of state primaries. We could have a convention where Giuliani has the most delegates, but Thompson, Romney and two or three other candidates have more than 50% of the votes among them. Then the old style deal making would begin once delegates were free to vote for a second choice (a candidate they weren’t pledged to).
If Rudy or Hillary wins we can welcome 38 million new citizens and all their relatives, the borders will still be open. If Hillary wins you can add Socialized Medical. With that many new illiterate voters this country will become a socialist country.
That's not true. The only reasons I've heard presented for voting for Rudy is that he can beat Hillary...but if you're saying he can't beat Hillary than you have no reason to vote for him just as I have no reason to vote for him.
I've already stated several times on this board that I won't be voting for Rudy, but if you think you can replace my vote by selecting a liberal as the republican candidate that will be your choice...but don't blame me...it's your choice.
Have you seen this?
Republican and Dem presidential candidates stand on abortion:
http://www.nrlc.org/Election2008/allcandidatescomparison08.13.07.pdf
And it’s still early enough where we can support one of the so-called dark horse candidates.
Duncan Hunter is a strong Values Voter candidate, and here are a few great reasons why:
1) Pro-God: 100% rating from the Christian Coalition; fought hard for prayer in public schools; took on the ACLU and fought for the Mt. Soledad Cross to remain, and more!
2) Strong 26-year pro-life commitment: authored the personhood-at-conception bill; attended the pro-life march in D.C., and more!
3) Pro-family: voted for traditional marriage between a man and a woman through HJ Res 88; 100% rating from the Concerned Women for America, and more!
4) Border security: the only politican that was EFFECTIVE on building a fence at a strategic place on our borders (which made drug trafficking and crime go down tremendously in San Diego), and author of the bill to build an 854 mile fence which was signed into law;
5) Pro-2nd amendment: A+ NRA rating!
You might be interested in this from my e-mail. Only thing is that some candidates might put their best foot forward, so I look at their history, as well as what they have to say. But that’s me.
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