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Rudy: No tax hike for Social Security (shift in position made to reassure anti-tax conservatives)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 10/17/07 | David Espo - ap

Posted on 10/17/2007 1:02:05 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani ruled out a tax increase Wednesday to help shore up Social Security, a slight shift in position designed to reassure anti-tax conservatives.

The former New York mayor also said the best remedy for the current housing slump would be for Congress to make President Bush's tax cuts permanent, adding that would "do much much more for the economy than a tailored bailout."

In an appearance before the Club for Growth, he said that as mayor of New York, he had cut spending by more than "any contemporary of mine in the 1990s" in government, a category that presumably included former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a presidential rival.

Giuliani leads his Republican rivals in national opinion polls, and was one of three contenders on the agenda for the Club for Growth meeting. Former Sen. Fred Thompson and Romney were the others — the former governor by remote hookup.

Like other contenders for the White House, Giuliani has yet to outline a detailed proposal for overhauling Social Security, the giant government retirement system that faces a financial crisis as the Baby Boom generation ages and begins to draw benefits.

In an interview last month with The Associated Press, Giuliani refused to rule out raising taxes to help shore up Social Security.

He said at the time he would assemble a bipartisan group to develop proposals.

"I am opposed to tax increases, but I would look at whatever proposal they came up with and try to figure out how we can come up with a bipartisan way to do it," he said at the time.

The comments led to an exchange of letters between the campaign and the anti-tax group Club for Growth, whose political action committee has intervened forcefully in recent Republican primary elections on behalf of economic conservatives.

Giuliani's campaign sought to reassure the group that the former mayor opposed tax increases.

"In addition to opposing Social Security taxes, we hope Mayor Giuliani will go one very important step further and offer a detailed free-market proposal for reforming Social Security that includes personal savings accounts and returns choice and freedom to individual taxpayers," Pat Toomey, the club's president, responded by letter.

Asked by Toomey at the morning meeting to discuss Social Security, Giuliani quickly responded, "I would rule out a tax increase for that purpose or any purpose."

He said he would create a bipartisan commission to recommend changes, then laid down two elements of any solution. "No tax increase and No. 2, that we come out of it with at least the beginnings of private accounts," he said. He suggested that younger workers be given the ability to create personal Social Security accounts at first.

"I do think Republicans have to be careful not to get too far out in terms of recommendations of Social Security," he said. To do otherwise is to invite a "sucker punch" from Democrats who will claim Republicans want to deny retirees their benefits, he added.

Ironically, while Giuliani and other Republicans all strive to be seen as Reagan's political heir, payroll taxes rose as part of the compromise he reached with Democrats in Congress.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: antitax; conservatives; giuliani; rudy; socialsecurity; taxhike
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1 posted on 10/17/2007 1:02:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Just another issue where there is no difference between Giuliani and HER. Giuliani is not my top choice, but I strongly prefer him to the alternative.
2 posted on 10/17/2007 1:05:56 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: NormsRevenge

The GOP’s best position on social security is simple: “The Dems are in control of Congress. If they pass something that will fix the social security system, then I’ll sign it.”

It’s a safe position to take, because of course, unless the Dems pass a $10 trillion tax increase, or cut benefits by $10 trillion, or some combination of the two, he will never have to sign anything.


3 posted on 10/17/2007 1:09:27 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: businessprofessor
"Rudy: No tax hike for Social Security (shift in position made to reassure anti-tax conservatives)"


4 posted on 10/17/2007 1:12:59 PM PDT by avacado (Republicans Destroyed Democrats' Most Cherished Institution: SLAVERY!)
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To: NormsRevenge

5 posted on 10/17/2007 1:14:06 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: NormsRevenge

I think Rudy has now far exceeded Mitt in any flip flopping.

Heck, I think he’s even surpassed John Kerry! (Hard to do!)


6 posted on 10/17/2007 1:14:42 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge
Yeah, yeah, yeah. A Rockefeller Republican ... liberal on social and domestic policies. An internationalist. Favored balanced budgets and relatively high tax levels to keep the budget balanced. Would favor FDR and his New Deal including welfare.

Rockefeller Republican is old terminology, most probably don't remember it today. Definetly the opposite of a Goldwater Republican or a Reagan Republican or a conservative. So lets say "RINO" ... will say that he's what the people want just to get elected.
7 posted on 10/17/2007 1:15:15 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: calcowgirl

Geesh girl. I waiting for him to up the ante and offer $10,000 to every kid born in the US. Show Shrillary up to be a tightwad.

Bucks for all!

We need to get more candidates. Then we wouldn’t even have to go to work, ever.


8 posted on 10/17/2007 1:17:38 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Brilliant

The Democrats are never going to cut anyone’s benefits. By saying he would not raise SS taxes to get a fix, Rudy is leaving himself open to the Democrats ginning up all the greedy geezers to vote AGAINST him IMO.


9 posted on 10/17/2007 1:18:37 PM PDT by penowa
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To: indylindy
Yeah, Rudy doesn't like the Hillary bonds because they have her picture on them!

Replace that pic with Rudy's and he'd be all for it! LOL.

10 posted on 10/17/2007 1:19:53 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: indylindy
Yeah, Rudy doesn't like the Hillary bonds because they have her picture on them!

Replace that pic with Rudy's and he'd be all for it! LOL.

11 posted on 10/17/2007 1:19:54 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

No doubt. Now that would be a political opportunists “marriage made in heaven”.LOL


12 posted on 10/17/2007 1:21:20 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: penowa

Nonsense. The Dems say there is nothing wrong with social security. How can they now conclude that by ruling out a tax increase, he’s effectively opted to cut benefits?


13 posted on 10/17/2007 1:21:37 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

The Democrats do NOT say there is nothing wrong with SS. They claim the program doesn’t need to be overhauled or changed, just another of the usual fixes of kicking the can farther down the road is all it needs. They claim that the fix is going to be higher taxes or benefit cuts, or a combination of both. Since Rudy has effectively ruled out a tax hike to fix the problem, that leaves a benefit cut as his solution. I’m sure the Democrats are already cutting commercials to run to scare seniors if they can get him the Republican nomination.


14 posted on 10/17/2007 1:31:46 PM PDT by penowa
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To: NormsRevenge
Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani ruled out a tax increase.

I remember well another pubbie Presidential hopeful making almost the same promise! It started out like, "Read my lips................".

15 posted on 10/17/2007 1:38:33 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: calcowgirl
You mean Sean Hannity but(t) boy?
16 posted on 10/17/2007 1:39:13 PM PDT by captnorb
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To: NormsRevenge

The Club for Growth sure has them all on their best behavior today. It’s just like it is when the Dummies go to the KOS convention.


17 posted on 10/17/2007 1:41:12 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: penowa

If that’s the case, then all of the GOP contenders are toast because they’ve all said they would not increase taxes. I don’t buy it though. It’s only when you actually propose a social security fix that it becomes a problem. Some of the candidates have done that, but not Rudy. There really is no way to fix social security at this late date anyway. The only thing you can do is say that you will work with Congress, but won’t sign a tax increase. It’s up to Congress to fix this problem anyway. The Dems have been the roadblock, so there is no point in the President proposing anything.


18 posted on 10/17/2007 1:41:47 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: NormsRevenge

Why won’t they just vote for their betters, these cow-pie kicking boot-scooters, then they can go back to handling snakes or making moonshine or whatever it is these yokels do in this midwestern hell-hole . . . where are we again?

The mike’s on? fuggedabout it! Really?

It’s really great to be here, in America’s Heartland!
Why on 9-11, when I was lifting steel beams off . . .


19 posted on 10/17/2007 1:56:16 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Choice"? Gimme a New York minute . . .)
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To: businessprofessor
He said he would create a bipartisan commission to recommend changes, then laid down two elements of any solution. "No tax increase and No. 2, that we come out of it with at least the beginnings of private accounts," he said. He suggested that younger workers be given the ability to create personal Social Security accounts at first.

That is a big difference between Hillary and him. Hillary ruled out personal accounts and any privatization.

20 posted on 10/17/2007 1:59:28 PM PDT by kabar
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