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Housing starts, permits plunge
http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/17/news/economy/housingstarts/index.htm?postversion=2007101708 ^ | 10-17-07

Posted on 10/17/2007 5:55:40 AM PDT by Hydroshock

Edited on 10/17/2007 6:01:29 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Builders continued to slam the brakes on new homes in September, as the government's latest reading on the battered market out Wednesday showed housing starts and permits were weaker than expected at levels not seen for more than a decade.

The pace of housing starts plunged 10 percent to an annual pace of 1.19 million from a 1.33 million rate in August. That was the weakest level in just over 14 years. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast that starts would fall to an a rate of 1.29 million.

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Housing permits, which are seen as a sign of builders' confidence in the market, slumped 7 percent to an annual rate of 1.23 million from 1.32 million in August. It was the lowest level of permits in more than 12 years. Economists had looked for permits to slow to a 1.3 million pace.

The report follows a survey released Tuesday that showed home builders' confidence in the battered market for new homes fell to an all-time low in October, and a measure of their outlook for six months down the road remained at a record low level, according to the latest industry survey.

The downturn in housing and demand for new homes has hammered the results of the nation's top builders. Leading home builder D.R. Horton (Charts, Fortune 500) reported Tuesday that its fiscal fourth-quarter orders fell 39 percent, while the value of those orders plunged 48 percent.


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1 posted on 10/17/2007 5:55:40 AM PDT by Hydroshock
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To: Hydroshock
"Builders continued to slam the brakes on new homes in September"

Except in certain areas.

2 posted on 10/17/2007 6:00:04 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: Hydroshock

My local building department has not issued a permit in six months because they cannot figure out how to comply with flood regulations. There are three renovation projects waiting to go forward on my block, and nobody can get a permit. This problem is occuring in towns all over the county.


3 posted on 10/17/2007 6:00:50 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Hydroshock

That’s usually what happens when supply outpaces demand..............


4 posted on 10/17/2007 6:01:18 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Hydroshock; Calpernia; cbkaty; Nervous Tick; ex-Texan; RockinRight; NVDave; Neidermeyer; ...

Mortgage/Credit/Housing Issues Ping List

If you want on or off this list let me know.


5 posted on 10/17/2007 6:02:19 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Hydroshock

We're doomed
Brother can you spare a dime?

6 posted on 10/17/2007 6:03:38 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Cleveland Indians 2007, Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: verity
No lie! Here in North Texas our land and housing is going through the proverbial roof. We bought out in the boondocks to get away and here they come with a planned Wallyworld four miles away...
7 posted on 10/17/2007 6:07:19 AM PDT by BlabItGrabIt (Sometimes nuthin' is a real cool hand...)
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To: Hydroshock

People who couldn’t afford buying these homes in the first place will go back to renting, the banks and mortgage co’s, and builders will take the hits, and housing appreciation will return to the historical averages. Not exactly a Great Depression scenario.


8 posted on 10/17/2007 6:07:24 AM PDT by petercooper ("Daisy-cutters trump a wiretap anytime." - Nicole Gelinas - 02-10-04)
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To: Red Badger

I’ve been looking for a place. The prices are falling. I have had my eye on one little farm, and the price has gone down $70,000 in the last three months. Now I just have to figure out where the bottom is.


9 posted on 10/17/2007 6:17:06 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: gridlock

Take your Sunday paper. Count all the real estate ads. when the next Sunday’s paper has fewer ads, that’s when the bottom has been found...............


10 posted on 10/17/2007 6:19:11 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: NeoCaveman

Brother can you spare a dime?.....with inflation and all, that would now require a buck at least..........


11 posted on 10/17/2007 6:20:31 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

Good tip. I will have to subscribe to the local paper there. I know that right now the number of ads is way up. It seems like the whole county is for sale.


12 posted on 10/17/2007 6:21:47 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Hydroshock

That stupid picture’s not part of the original article. Why did you add it in such a way as to make it appear as though it were?


13 posted on 10/17/2007 6:25:03 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam is a clown car with guns.)
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To: gridlock

If you like the farm, and you like the price, buy it now. There’s probably a few other folks out there that like that farm, too.


14 posted on 10/17/2007 6:29:51 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
That stupid picture’s not part of the original article. Why did you add it in such a way as to make it appear as though it were?

Oh, just let him enjoy his Great Depression....

15 posted on 10/17/2007 6:30:30 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Cleveland Indians 2007, Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: verity
“Except in certain places.”

Yes, all housing markets are local. And the price range matters. There are over 100,000 houses listed for sale in the Atlanta MLS. However, the son-in-law of a fellow churchgoer just started 100 “starter” houses in Cobb County, in the $250K range I recall, and can’t build them fast enough to meet the demand. If you don’t build what the market is demanding (including price-point and features), you can be stuck with alot of unsold inventory. An acquaintance of mine who is a builder in an adjacent bedroom county is saddled with three nicely built houses that he hasn’t been able to sell at a profit because they don’t have basements. Suddenly, that’s what everyone wanted and expected in the $350K price range.

16 posted on 10/17/2007 6:43:05 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Hydroshock

“The sky is falling, the sky is falling” — but only on that overpriced highly leveraged real estate. Let them take their lumps.


17 posted on 10/17/2007 6:43:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I did not put it there.


18 posted on 10/17/2007 6:45:09 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Hydroshock

Really? Then I apologize.


19 posted on 10/17/2007 6:46:35 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam is a clown car with guns.)
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To: Hydroshock

Since the suppliers of housing are adapting to an over-supplied housing market quicker than forecast, it follows that the market will return to normal quicker than forecast.

Thanks for that good news.


20 posted on 10/17/2007 6:58:57 AM PDT by pfony1
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