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Giuliani Begins Returning $9.11 Checks (RINO opportunist's $9.11 fund-raiser)
NY MAGAZINE ^ | 10/16/07 | DAILY INTEL

Posted on 10/17/2007 4:40:11 AM PDT by Liz

After New Yorkers (and others) became outraged that a California supporter threw a fund-raiser for him asking for donations in the denomination of $9.11, the Giuliani campaign quietly began returning the checks. It's a small gesture..... but it's something. Is Giuliani finally recognizing how offensive it is for him to try to own the September 11 tragedy? Is he taking note that if his home city finishes turning against him, he'll have a hard time convincing people that he has a great mayoral legacy? Does this signify personal growth on his part? Eh, probably not. It's just $9.11, people.


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KEYWORDS: giuliani; liberalgiuliani; liberalrudy; lizhanover; rinogiuliani; rinorudy; rudy911
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To: jonathanmo
>>>Since NAMBLA is not a part of the Stonewall Vets

You are full of crap.

Copy:

"We agree with the 1951 Mattachine Society slogan: "We will integrate as a group on our own terms, or we will not integrate at all."


SOS
Spirit of Stonewall
c/o Gayme Magazine
PO Box 15645
Boston, MA 02215 Tel.(617) 695-8015
Fax (617) 266-1125
NAMBLA MARCHES WITH US
AT STONEWALL 25, JUNE 26, 1994

Spirit of Stonewall (SOS) calls on Stonewall 25 and the gay and
lesbian movement to return to its roots. The Christopher Street
uprising was an outcry by those at the bottom and on the margins
of society against puritanical self-righteousness and bigotry.
It was a cry for full sexual liberation as part of the struggle
for social justice. Stonewall was the spontaneous action of
marginal people oppressed by the mainstream - of teenaged drag
queens, pederasts, transsexuals, hustlers, and others despised by
respectable straights and "discreet" homosexuals. They did not
call for their rights, they seized their own freedom. They did
not ask for integration into middle-class America, they screamed
against its pretensions of propriety.

SOS is an ad hoc committee of lesbian, gay and other individuals
and groups formed to bring Stonewall 25 back to the principles of
gay liberation. We focus on one of the most glaring departures
from those principles: the attempt to exclude the North American
Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), and possibly other groups,
from the Stonewall 25 March and from their place within
gay/lesbian space and discourse.

Red-baiting, scapegoating, censorship and exclusion have been
hallmarks of American society. Just as unions, the civil rights
and peace movements were pressured to cleanse themselves of
suspected "communists," the lesbian/gay movement is now expected
to rid itself of social misfits, the vulnerable pederasts first
of all. Never before has such an ostensibly progressive movement
jumped so quickly through the hoops of its enemies. At least
there were years of debates among activists before some
capitulated to McCarthyism. ILGA, the Human Rights Campaign
Fund, Stonewall 25, and others who claim to support sexual
minorities and human rights have stumbled over each other as they
rush to deny these rights to those deemed unacceptable.

We find this the height of hypocrisy - to invoke the name of
Stonewall to cast out the alleged molesters among us. The issue
is not, first of all, intergenerational sex - although that is
one the movement needs to confront honestly rather than avoid.
SOS takes no stand specifically on age of consent laws or sex
between adults and those deemed legally "children." The issues
that now confront Stonewall 25 are free speech, free association
and inclusiveness.

NAMBLA's record as a responsible gay organization is well known.
NAMBLA was spawned by the gay community and has been in every
major gay and lesbian march. It has demonstrated in solidarity
with people with AIDS, and for lesbians in custody cases. NAMBLA
takes progressive positions on U.S. intervention in Central
America, the military draft, reproductive rights, the death
penalty, corporal punishment and racism. NAMBLA publicly
condemns the exploitation of children, including genuine sexual
abuse. NAMBLA believes the interests of young people demand not
paternalistic protection, but empowerment to make real choices.
Every organization within Stonewall 25 need not endorse every one
of the other organization's positions. NAMBLA's call for the
abolition of the age of consent is not the issue. NAMBLA is a
bona fide participant in the gay and lesbian movement. NAMBLA
deserves strong support in its rights of free speech and
association and its members' protection from discrimination and
bashing.

Unless we return to the principles of Stonewall, the fate of
NAMBLA today may be the fate of other "different" and
"controversial" causes tomorrow. Gay and lesbian activists
before Stonewall understood the task of liberation. We agree
with the 1951 Mattachine Society slogan: "We will integrate as a
group on our own terms, or we will not integrate at all." We
will define our own agenda and decide for ourselves who we are!
Within our movement, if our brother or sister self-identifies as
gay, we will march with them and they with us. We call on
Stonewall 25 to rescind its attempt to ban NAMBLA. Meanwhile,
SOS announces: NAMBLA marches with us!

SIGNED: Harry Hay, Pat Califia, Gayle Rubin, Chris Bearchelli,
Scott O'Hara, Charley Shively, David Thorstad, Tom Reeves, Jim
Becker AND:

NAME:___________________________________________________________

ADDRESS:________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________
Telephones:

(h)__________________(w)________________(FAX)___________________

Identification: (Writer, Activist, Professor, Name of
Organization or Publication, etc. - does not imply endorsement):

________________________________________________________________

GROUP ENDORSEMENT: (if a group officially endorses the SOS call)

________________________________________________________________

I (WE) WILL MARCH IN NEW YORK, SUNDAY, JUNE 26, 1994 WITH
SOS:________________________________
WE CANNOT MARCH, but we will march "in spirit":_________________
WE NEED HOUSING (Limited Availability at $30 per night, two to
three persons per room):______________________

141 posted on 10/17/2007 8:21:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
I appreciate your effort, and I have read all your posts carefully. I would conclude from your posting that, because Giuliani didn't condemn the behavior during this (or probably any other) parade (I note that you didn't relate any NAMBLA related activity that occurred,such as child molestation or the like), that somehow this makes Giuliani a supporter of Nambla, which essentially has been the point of your series of postings.

I disagree with your conclusion, as none of your postings support it. I think an easier generalization would be that Giuliani is not offended by weird-acting homosexuals and Catholic-haters.

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to post to me. I have a better understanding of your perspective.
142 posted on 10/17/2007 8:26:07 AM PDT by jonathanmo (So many phobes, so little time...)
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To: AmericanMade1776

To say that Rudy is a jiveass? If that’s the prerequisite, Hillary has a very big payroll (paranoia is unbecoming...)


143 posted on 10/17/2007 8:31:35 AM PDT by Goodness
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To: Calpernia
Again, let me disagree. The Spirit of Stonewall (SOS) is NOT the Stonewall Vets. As you can see in the letter that you posted, they are a different group who DISAGREE with the Stonewall Vets position on NAMBLA.

from your post - "SOS is an ad hoc committee of lesbian, gay and other individuals and groups formed to bring Stonewall 25 back to the principles of gay liberation."

It probably isn't necessary to say that I'm "full of crap." I'm actually taking you seriously.
144 posted on 10/17/2007 8:34:48 AM PDT by jonathanmo (So many phobes, so little time...)
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To: Liz

what a dumba$$!


145 posted on 10/17/2007 8:36:33 AM PDT by woollyone (tazers are the 21st century version of the rusty bed frame, car battery, transformer & clamps)
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To: jonathanmo
Did you miss this?

SOS is an ad hoc committee of lesbian, gay and other individuals and groups formed to bring Stonewall 25 back to the principles of gay liberation. We focus on one of the most glaring departures from those principles: the attempt to exclude the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), and possibly other groups, from the Stonewall 25 March and from their place within gay/lesbian space and discourse.

146 posted on 10/17/2007 8:37:57 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Just mythoughts; Liz; indylindy; ellery
I keep hearing he is the terror stopper, but other than talk talk talk I see NO experience.

Rudy brought out a riot-sized police force to stop a demonstration by NYC cabbies. He referred to them as "Taxi Terrorists."

So, ya see, he does have some experience. ;-)

147 posted on 10/17/2007 8:38:26 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Baloney. He only did what any mayor does when a disaster hits their city.


148 posted on 10/17/2007 8:41:01 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: Red in Blue PA

That is not the only issue we have with Rudy the liberal. I will not support any liberal even with an R after his name.


149 posted on 10/17/2007 8:42:35 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: calcowgirl
Rudy brought out a riot-sized police force to stop a demonstration by NYC cabbies. He referred to them as "Taxi Terrorists."

He also was responsible for Buddie Bernie as the major candidate for Homeland Security chief. Hehehe

Bernie might have had some time to work at Homeland Security between all his legal woes!

150 posted on 10/17/2007 8:42:57 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

When will it get through that hard head of yours that abortion is not the only issue we have with Rudy the liberal? There are many others.


151 posted on 10/17/2007 8:49:41 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: Red in Blue PA; Liz; TommyDale
Name me one other conservative politician that decreased total abortions by almost 17% over an eight year period?

Huh? Rudy was mayor during a period when abortions declined, therefore Rudy decreased abortions?

By your logic, Rudy caused the worst terrorist act in history on 9/11!

152 posted on 10/17/2007 8:50:34 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: jonathanmo

wrong


153 posted on 10/17/2007 8:51:36 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: jonathanmo

The Stonewall Inn has been made a National Historic Landmark and is now listed with U.S. National Park Service.

The Stonewall Rebellion occurred due to a raid in 1969. It operated without a liquor license, had ties with organized crime (Mafia Owned), and offered scantily clad go-go boys as entertainment.

The STONEWALL Veterans’ Association (”S.V.A.”) is comprised of the actual, surviving, active veterans of the famous 1969 Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender (”GLBT”) Stonewall Rebellion in Greenwich Village, New York, U.S.A.

Members

Liz J. Abzug, Rebuild Our Town Downtown, Co-Chair
www.Abzug.com
N.Y.C. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg
www.MikeBloomberg.com
N.Y.C. Councilmember James E. (Jed) Davis, In Memorium
www.Council.nyc.ny.us
Congressmember Geraldine A. Ferraro
www.search.Britannica.com
Borough President C. Virginia Fields
www.NewYorkers4Fields.com
America’s Mayor Rudy W. Giuliani
www.GiulianiPartners.com
B. Thomas Golisano, Paychex, President
www.Paychex.com
N.Y.C. Public Advocate Betsy F. Gotbaum
www.PubAdvocate.nyc.gov
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
www.Riverkeeper.org
Councilmember Margarita L. Lopez
www.MargaritaLopez.com
Martha Reeves, Motown Singer & Detroit Councilwoman
www.STONEWALLvets.org/songsofStonewall-7.htm
N.Y.S. Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer
www.Spitzer2006.com
Steven L. Wesler, R.D.P. Group, President
www.RDPgroup.com
N.Y.S. Assemblymember Keith L.Wright
www.WrightForTheFuture.com


154 posted on 10/17/2007 8:54:20 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: jonathanmo

Oh, well, now that it is clear, that’s much better...


155 posted on 10/17/2007 8:57:37 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: Calpernia; All

What a lovely group of folks, we should have them over for a “cook out” and discuss Rudy’s efforts...


156 posted on 10/17/2007 8:59:30 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: jonathanmo
From POST 120, NAMBLA's Webpage:

Harry made the following statement to a press conference on June 24, 1994, in the former Stonewall Inn on Sheridan Square in New York, site of the riots that launched the modern gay movement in June 1969. The press conference was called to announce the Spirit of Stonewall (SOS) contingent in the Stonewall 25 march two days later. It was moderated by SOS co-organizer and indefatigable activist Bill Dobbs. Other participants were Christine Martin, sex educator and documentary filmmaker; Glenda Orgasm (aka Glenn Belverio), drag queen activist and filmmaker; Scott O'Hara, editor and publisher of Steam magazine; Val Langmuir of Feminists Against Censorship (London); Julia Smedley, member of Stonewall Now; and Charley Shively of Fag Rag and professor of American Studies at the University of Massachusetts.

This statement was transcribed from a videotape of the press conference. A much shorter version, which omits any mention of NAMBLA or SOS, as well as the entire last half of the statement and the first paragraph appeared in Radically Gay: Gay Liberation in the Words of Its Founder Harry Hay, ed. Will Roscoe (Boston: Beacon Press, 1996), p. 303. These omissions seem odd in view of the fact that Harry read from a written text. The truncated version also used capital letters for words such as 'Brothers and Sisters' and 'Queers,' a convention that is not followed here since this complete version is not based on a written text.

157 posted on 10/17/2007 8:59:51 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: calcowgirl

I actually wouldn’t disagree with that thought :P


158 posted on 10/17/2007 9:00:57 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: calcowgirl

I knew he looked suspicious...


159 posted on 10/17/2007 9:01:26 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: ejonesie22

This stuff is way beyond political jousting. These people are in positions of power and I find it more frightening than anything Al Qaeda could ever do to us.


160 posted on 10/17/2007 9:02:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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