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CA: Motorist fee increases signed by governor (It's not a TAX, it's a FEE increase. Thx Gubinator!)
LA Times ^ | 10/15/07 | Patrick McGreevy

Posted on 10/15/2007 9:20:17 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO — Acting on the last batch of bills from what experts called a disappointing regular legislative year, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Sunday signed into law a controversial increase in motorists' fees that is intended to raise millions to develop alternative fuel and clean-air technology.

Consumer advocates condemned the bill for putting the costs on the backs of motorists rather than oil companies.

Schwarzenegger also signed what became known as the "toxic toys" bill, which makes California the first state to prohibit the use of chemical compounds called phthalates in products designed for children under 3 years old.

Making his way through the final 153 bills, the governor vetoed legislation proposed by state Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata (D-Oakland) that would have allocated $611 million to work on solving the state's water problems.

Schwarzenegger also vetoed a bill allowing the distribution of condoms to inmates in all state prisons, but said he would allow a pilot program at one lockup to see if it helps reduce the spread of HIV.

He also signed a widely criticized measure allowing the owners of Staples Center in Los Angeles to access millions of state dollars earmarked for affordable housing-related programs in order to improve streets near the sports facility.

The governor's last signatures before Sunday's midnight deadline provided an anticlimactic end to a rather fallow year for the executive and the Legislature, some political observers said.

"It was a not particularly productive year," said Raphael J. Sonenshein, a political scientist at Cal State Fullerton.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab1108; ab118; california; callegislation; cartax; increases; motorist; phthalates; schwarzenegger; staplescenter
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To: Bogeygolfer
I’m glad you think we can elect a real conservative as Governor of California however I fear Reagan will hold that record for some time to come.

Had not Bill Simon run one of the worst campaigns in memory he would have won.

61 posted on 10/15/2007 5:32:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Carry_Okie
Perhaps but at the end of the day the buck stops at the top. McClintock couldn’t even win his last general against a complete moron and he’s the best candidate we have. Every year the demographics work against us and I’m not sure reason will make a difference until something rattles the cage. The problem as I see it is we all lose in a complete catastrophe, e.g. a bankrupt state or single payer health care.
62 posted on 10/15/2007 5:48:56 PM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: Bogeygolfer
am already shocked by the state of CA. That doesn’t change reality and if you reread my post I was speaking to the state waking up. Do you think CA will change in the near term?

Well, I always thought that maybe it would wake up. But, frankly, reading posts like yours makes me lose a lot of hope. You say that "Arnold is still better than Davis," that you "readily admit [you] had hoped he wouldn’t be this bad," and that "after all of his ballot initiatives got shot down, his choices became either go along with the democratic agenda and get what he could."

Where to start? The record clearly shows that Arnold has been far worse than Davis--record growth in government, mega-borrowing, multi-million acre land grabs, back-room deals, etc. And Davis could have never matched the damage Arnold did by back-stabbing fellow Republican candidates. Arnold had turned left far before his ballot initiatives got shot down but you continue to chant his propaganda. And as to hoping he wouldn't be this bad--Did you bother to read his platform before voting for him (Global warming, etc.)? Or look at his pre-election record of surrounding himself with leftists and special-interests, sponsoring Prop 49, and opposing Prop 54?

Observing "conservatives" who choose to vote for liberals(R), thinking they are going to get anything, is truly discouraging. The suggestion that you will continue being "happy" under their leftist rule and would even pull that lever again is downright frustrating!

63 posted on 10/15/2007 5:53:58 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Bogeygolfer
McClintock couldn’t even win his last general against a complete moron and he’s the best candidate we have.

Garamendi was hardly a moron.

Do you think the CRP starving McClintock of cash, Arnie's clan taking control of the GOTV effort (trying to sell his big-bang-bonds and block Prop 90 by bringing out liberal voters), and Arnie publicly backstabbing McClintock in the final weeks of the election might have had anything to do with his loss?

64 posted on 10/15/2007 5:58:56 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SierraWasp
...makes me wretch ... It’s just beyond disgusting!

Yep.

65 posted on 10/15/2007 5:59:57 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge
That's the thing here in Oklahoma too.....

They call them fee's, applications, assessments, levies...whatever.

Just another name for TAXES....

66 posted on 10/15/2007 6:00:54 PM PDT by Osage Orange (“911 is government sponsored Dial-A-Prayer.”".)
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To: calcowgirl

You misquoted me in so far as I haven’t mentioned his initiatives. Furthermore I don’t support him in any way and actively work against him. I disagree with him every bit as much as you. My guess is you too voted for Arnold as did I. Unless of course you’re are the type that takes your marbles and goes home when you don’t have a horse in the race. It is our duty to vote and I’m guessing you both agree with that and that you didn’t vote for Angelides. I fight as much or more than the average bear, mostly with my check book sad to say. Please do not subscribe these views to me simply because I’m being realistic. A realistic appraisal does not mean you don’t carry on the fight. If my assessment depresses you that’s fine, it does me too, but don’t interpret that to mean I’m part of the problem. I am capable of recognizing the lay of the land and simultaneously putting out the effort. I can understand the strategy that we all should be more positive (cheer leaders if you will) regardless so as to motivate, etc., however I thought this was a place to discuss reality and not worry about weaker souls needing a boost. Yes I thought Arnold would not be as bad as he is and I would challenge you that I don’t think even his worst conservative critics expected this.


67 posted on 10/15/2007 7:29:10 PM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: Bogeygolfer
Yes I thought Arnold would not be as bad as he is and I would challenge you that I don’t think even his worst conservative critics expected this.

Start here: An Analysis of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Environmental Policy. That's just one set of issues; I wrote on a lot more. I knew this man for the talented liar he's proven to be.

68 posted on 10/15/2007 8:12:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Bogeygolfer; Carry_Okie; ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp; kellynla; CounterCounterCulture; Czar; ...
You misquoted me in so far as I haven’t mentioned his initiatives.

My apologies. I attributed a post from someone else to you, incorrectly.

Furthermore I don’t support him in any way and actively work against him. I disagree with him every bit as much as you. My guess is you too voted for Arnold as did I.

No. I never voted for him and never would. I have said from day one that Arnold would be more destructive than any other candidate--and he has been. His liberal agenda was laid out in a platform during the Recall election--some just chose to ignore it and not heed the many warnings laid out in article after article, thread after thread.

Unless of course you’re are the type that takes your marbles and goes home when you don’t have a horse in the race. It is our duty to vote and I’m guessing you both agree with that and that you didn’t vote for Angelides. I fight as much or more than the average bear, mostly with my check book sad to say. Please do not subscribe these views to me simply because I’m being realistic. A realistic appraisal does not mean you don’t carry on the fight.

A realistic appraisal would not suggest that Arnold has been better than Gray Davis, either for the State or the Republican Party.

If my assessment depresses you that’s fine, it does me too, but don’t interpret that to mean I’m part of the problem. I am capable of recognizing the lay of the land and simultaneously putting out the effort. I can understand the strategy that we all should be more positive (cheer leaders if you will) regardless so as to motivate, etc., however I thought this was a place to discuss reality and not worry about weaker souls needing a boost.

You don't think that I am suggesting cheerleading, do you? I much prefer honesty and facts. Cheerleaders are what helped get us into this mess.

Yes, I thought Arnold would not be as bad as he is and I would challenge you that I don’t think even his worst conservative critics expected this.

I'll ping some folks to that challenge. Perhaps you weren't reading the threads during the recall. Many, many freepers predicted the exact scenario we have now. Many articles did the same thing. In fact, most of those freepers that promoted this Trojan Horse have been banned as trolls promoting liberalism.

69 posted on 10/15/2007 8:14:33 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I certainly will! Thanks!


70 posted on 10/15/2007 8:17:02 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: El Sordo
It seemed like the GOP bigwigs in CA never really took to Arnold. That they kind of left him out of their clique.

Hardly the case. Arnold was the choice of the mover and shakers, who refused to support the conservative option, Tom McClintock.

71 posted on 10/15/2007 8:17:15 PM PDT by Pelham (Spanish is the new English)
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To: NormsRevenge

awnold better not run for another elective office,

because he’ll lose!


72 posted on 10/15/2007 8:18:55 PM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Bogeygolfer
...I don’t think even his worst conservative critics expected this.

I am one that did here on FRee-Republic and I financially supported his opponent. There were many flame wars with the crazies that supported him but his start power carried the day...

73 posted on 10/15/2007 8:34:51 PM PDT by tubebender (My weight is perfect for my height... which varies...)
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To: calcowgirl
I do realize many freepers and conservatives in CA called Arnold as a lib or a RINO. I guess you could say I’m treading in relativity. I wouldn’t have thought, considering how far beyond the pale he has gone, that those critics, including you, realized just how bad he’d be. You were clearly correct I just don’t think anybody, even in the heat of the moment, truly expected him to be this bad. I think he exceeded your worst fears or that was what I was trying to say.
You ducked the big question of the day however. You either voted for Arnold or Phil. Voting for Phil is a hard thing to imagine, much easier to talk about than actually doing. If you stayed home I’d be disappointed. You nailed me for voting for Arnold which means you voted for Phil or worse, stayed home. As I said earlier it’s a difficult situation here in CA and I consider it our duty to vote.
74 posted on 10/15/2007 9:21:46 PM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: Bogeygolfer

I misspoke. You could have voted for a variety of folks so I’ll leave you your privacy and withdraw that statement.


75 posted on 10/15/2007 9:23:52 PM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: Bogeygolfer
You nailed me for voting for Arnold which means you voted for Phil or worse, stayed home.

In 2006, I voted Constitution Party for governor (Noonan), and straight Republican for the down ticket candidates.

76 posted on 10/15/2007 9:26:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Bogeygolfer
I think he exceeded your worst fears or that was what I was trying to say.

Not mine, especially with regard to gays. I knew that when Arnold was a young buck, Robert Mapplethorpe got some VERY useful photographs, many of which I'd bet are now earning a princely return in a remote safe deposit box under an anonymous account. It would explain much.

77 posted on 10/15/2007 9:30:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Pelham
Arnold was the choice of the mover and shakers, who refused to support the conservative option, Tom McClintock.

Exactly. They saw a unique scenario in which McClintock could very well have been elected governor, so they hastily (remember how unprepared the Austrian fraud was for that first news conference?) stuck Schwarzenegger out there, solely for the name ID.

"Everything has to be provided for the people."

78 posted on 10/15/2007 9:32:44 PM PDT by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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To: Bogeygolfer
You were clearly correct I just don’t think anybody, even in the heat of the moment, truly expected him to be this bad. I think he exceeded your worst fears or that was what I was trying to say.

No, he has turned out to be every bit as bad as I expected! That is what *I* am saying, if you would just read my words instead of trying to tell me what *my* worst fears were! Why do you think the FR threads were so volatile? People PASSIONATELY believed that Arnold would be the worst possible outcome and posted such for months!

You ducked the big question of the day however. You either voted for Arnold or Phil. Voting for Phil is a hard thing to imagine, much easier to talk about than actually doing. If you stayed home I’d be disappointed. You nailed me for voting for Arnold which means you voted for Phil or worse, stayed home. As I said earlier it’s a difficult situation here in CA and I consider it our duty to vote.

I voted. I voted AGAINST all of the outrageous bond measures promoted by the Governor, FOR Proposition 90 (and a couple others), FOR good conservatives like McClintock and Poochigian, and I left the Governor box empty--there simply was not an acceptable candidate to vote FOR.

79 posted on 10/15/2007 9:50:43 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Bogeygolfer
You are not too bright if you’d sit on your hands at home and cry to yourself about what a fine moral stalwart you are. Nobody is talking about the primaries pal so the choice is Arnold or Bustamante. You think staying home or voting for a Dem is a better way to make a difference?

You are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. There was no primary; there was a replacement open election in the event the recall succeeded (it did). The top candidates were Bustamonte (D), Arnold (RINO) and McClintock (R). The choice was there, but people like you were to spineless or starstruck or stupid to make it.

80 posted on 10/16/2007 7:08:27 AM PDT by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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