Posted on 10/14/2007 1:29:17 PM PDT by reasonisfaith
Something about Ron Paul doesn’t smell right. Despite the fact that he appears to advocate core conservative values such as upholding the constitution and limiting government power, instinct tells me not to touch Ron Paul with a ten foot pole. Conservatives understand this. He’s just too kooky. I think it comes down to two possibilities: either Ron Paul is very foolish or he is very evil.
It’s true that on a certain level, tending to our own political and economic affairs here in the U.S. is where we should focus most of our resources. But the cauldrons of tyranny and terror are ever-present in far reaches of the world. When these wicked brews begin to boil over and spill their hateful contents onto our land, that’s the point where we must take action to extinguish the fire at its source. We did so in Japan and Germany sixty-odd years ago, and we are now doing it in Iraq.
Ron Paul’s behavior is consistent with two possibilities. The first possibility allows for the notion that Paul is an honest man with true libertarian beliefs who just doesn’t understand the reality of geopolitics, thus he is basically a kook hopelessly unfit for the oval office. The second possibility is less likely but nonetheless fun for the imagination: Ron Paul is part of a conspiracy, planned for decades, that covertly seeks something sinister—either a Hillary presidency (by means of dividing the conservative vote) or the downfall of the United States.
“I get the feeling he’s just a moonbat, although he could be so good at deception that he does have evil intentions.
The way some of his followers obsessively worship him is also somewhat off-putting. You wonder if the’re all waiting for the Mother Ship to come and get them.”
ron paul is the pied piper of the lunatic fringe.
They’re waiting for the mother ship that’s hiding behind a comet to beam them up....Like that nutty cult did a few years back.
“We shouldn’t be apologizing and retreating from truth.”
Yet you support someone who’s very platform IS apologize and retreat.
Do you have any quotes of Ron Paul ever saying we should apologize to anyone? I haven’t. And I wouldn’t call it retreat to pull your hands out of a hornet’s nest. There are three ways to deal with hornets, and we’re in the middle one. It ain’t working. You know as well as I that our leadership is not taking the extreme option. So what’ll it be? You’ll never get the extreme carpet-riders to stop killing Americans where ever they can find them.
I want our troops on the southern border where they’ll actually do us some good.
“Yes, Turkey is shelling across the border and talking about closing its airspace to us. The web we are weaving is getting more and more tangled. I wouldn’t describe it as “better.” It’s “different.” It’s a different problem every day.”
And your heerow’s policy on letters of marque and ignoring international treaties isn’t a web that we’ll get tangled up in?
Did you know that in order to bring us to the gold standard, that we’ll need about 12,000 tons more gold than what has been mined to date in known history of mankind.....That is unless we set the value of gold at $1,500,000 an ounce. But who will benefit the most from such a return? Those people who own stocks in gold mining and trading companies....You know people like ron paul who own stocks in at least 2 dozen companies that are connected to the gold industry.
Hell almost every economist out there says that IF we were to return to the gold standard, that IT WILL destabilize our economy and will bring about another depression on a scale greater than the 1920’s
He's not the same anti-war as the Rats are, he's never been associated with the Truther kooks, and he's not in favor of legalizing drugs carte blanche, just decriminalizing them at the federal level and letting states set their own drug laws. If California wants to legalize marijuana, the feds should stay out of it. Period.
I’m not saying being a Libertarian is a bad thing, just that it’s different than being conservative.
Most libertarians are even more conservative than conservatives are. Ron Paul is by no means a stereotype of someone who is libertarian. He supports pro-life, supports border security, and supports a strong defense. He was probably the most conservative libertarian who ever ran on the LP ticket for president.
This is the best you have? I think you're nicely illustrating how inflated our currency is. The main point is that the Federal Reserve just prints the stuff whenever congress wants to borrow money for a pet cause that suits the consortium banks. Then we have to pay them interest. Unravel that game starting with the cartel itself and let the market sort out the value of gold.
Simply letting Americans enjoy their Constitutional right to trade gold without excise taxes would sink the Federal Reserve in a decade, even if you left it alone.
“9/11/2001 They gave money and training to the terrorists.”
Yep.
ron paul and the left’s darling saddam was:
Paying $25,000 to each homicide bomber that would blow up innocent women and children in Israel.
Harbored 2 known terrorists abu nidal, and abu abbas.
Iraqi government officials met with 9/11 hijacker mohammed atta before 9/11.
Saddam allowed known al qaida member al zarqawi to enter the country to recieve medical treatment at a hospital controlled by one of saddam’s sons.
Saddam then allowed al zarqawi to stay in Iraq to help train the fedayeen and other “loyalists” for any post invasion insurgency.
Saddam granted safe passage to member’s of al qaida who were fleeing Afghanistan to include bin laden’s sons who later sought refuge in Iran and one of the sons is now married to the daughter of a powerful Iranian Republican Guard commander.
The facility at Salman Pak has been used for terrorist training since the mid 90’s
Why couldn't Israel take care of that problem? I'll tell you why: because the American State Department ties their hands behind their backs. What do you personally think of the road map to peace?
“An ideology of non-intervention”
Ah, so by your reasoning we would not have “intervened” in WW1, WW2, Korea or any number of other places correct?
Instead we’d just let hitler gas and incinerate another couple of million other people because God forbid that we “intervene” on someone else’s business.
“I want our troops on the southern border where they’ll actually do us some good.”
While the terrorists that your heerow wants to suck up to comes across the northern border and truck bombs us, and flies more planes into more of our buildings.
The only options that your heerow has offered is retreat and stick our heads in the sand, retreat and treat terrorism as a criminal matter, and retreat while using harsh language to scare them off.
You are a typical ronbot who hasn’t got a clue as to what reality is.
No. And I'll note that we only found out about the extent of Hitler's treatment of the Jews after we were fully engaged in defeating both the Germans and the Japanese. There are steps we might have taken at the end of WW1 to prevent what happened. There are steps we could have taken in the 1930s to prevent what happened. Most of them would have been economic. Ford was permitted to sink American capital into the German war machine right up until 1939. The situation with American money flowing to China reminds me of that.
The globalists have taught three generations now the wrong lessons about WWII: we didn't fight to save the world, although that was a consequence. We fought to protect American interests and our own, native liberty. Some other good things happened as a result. But the United Nations is as useless as tits on a boar, and our involvement in it is bleeding us out.
OK then.
“This is the best you have? I think you’re nicely illustrating how inflated our currency is.”
Where did I say anything about our currancy?
I pointed out that your heerow’s moronic plan CAN NOT happen unless he can pull gold bars out of his ass.
Another fault of the gold standard is that the value of gold is dependant on what the market sets it at. So we go to the gold standard, what’s to stop countries from flooding the market and causing the value of gold to plummet?
Would you like some help, sir?
“Why couldn’t Israel take care of that problem? I’ll tell you why: because the American State Department ties their hands behind their backs.”
Yep typical ronbot.....Blame America for everything.
You like our state department?
“Would you like some help, sir?”
From you?
No, because I never mentioned our currancy.
God you ronbots are all the f*cking same in that you read into everything and intentionally try and put words in people’s mouths just to try and justify your moronic and naive views.
So tell me slick, how is your heerow going to fund the government if he gets rid of the IRS?
“You like our state department?”
Yeah but nowhere near as much as you ronbots love our enemies.
I love how these ronbots will scour through a post, and pick out just one little thing (or completely fabricate something out of thin air) and use it as an angle to slam our government our country in general, or our allies.
Take post 168 for example, the ronbot picks out one fact and twists it around in order to slam (in this case) the state department and our ally Israel, while he completely ignores the other facts provided.
Look, as far as I’m concerned, any time there’s a candidate willing to articulate a case for a smaller federal government, I think it’s salutory. Whenever a candidate articulates a strong defense of the 2nd amendment, that’s a good thing.
I do think that there’s value in defining our terms, but I won’t insist on it. I continue to believe that both libertarians and conservatives, however one wishes to draw the ideological lines, are better served by working within the Republican party. For this reason, I am glad that Paul is making his case, even though I continue to disagree with several of his policy positions.
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